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welcome

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yeah

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it's calling all beings and guess what

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we gonna bigfooting again

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and guess what tonight he is back he he

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saved me from going and getting an

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unnecessary surgery today at least

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unnecessary for now but not nothing we

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really need to talk about so uh let me

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introduce the co-conspirator of this

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joint who don't put it all together

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money Nathan yeah good to see you that's

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all part of our Healthcare package here

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cab uh you get that counseling advice

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it's uh just a package deal I appreciate

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that I got to remind the prescription

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card for 2023 hopefully those are on

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order uh and with that uh our our

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researcher who today uh made a huge play

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through her friend Jennifer on the it's

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I think it's called a UFO book club was

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able to help us uh hook up with uh

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Jonathan Dover the uh the Navajo Ranger

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who who Finn to be on lay down right

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around with Matt naps can be on but uh

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with that uh how are you first of all

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how are you this evening Deb I'm doing

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great I already have a question for you

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DJ are we squashing is that the verb for

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what we're doing

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you know what I don't think I'm

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qualified to answer that but I think we

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have two people backstage that are so we

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look cool because to the Bigfoot

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Community we want to look cool right

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Nathan absolutely absolutely credibility

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cool right so uh they they fin to answer

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that uh Miss Julie is in the chat our

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moderator from Alabama by the way of

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Indiana and uh let's let's welcome on

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our I'm so happy that this guy came on

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he agreed to be our special

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um uh guest co-host for this episode

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I've been bragging about him for a

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couple weeks probably Nathan and my

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friends are tired of hearing about him

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he is the host of Bigfoot Crossroads he

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is such a dope interviewer he has great

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wit he has a lot of in the field

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knowledge two decades worth of research

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experience in the field on Bigfoot put

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[Applause]

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Hampton oh no please please

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thank you for inviting me man thanks for

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letting me come on here with you guys

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this is awesome great to have you with

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us Matt

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yep Namaste brother this is awesome man

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and uh so you know getting into this

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topic and by the way any of you who are

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sick of me talking about a foot about

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Bigfoot blame this guy right over here

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um I I went to uh I think it was Bigfoot

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eyewitness radio Vic Condes show and

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heard a narrative by this gentleman who

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was a arson fire investigator in Texas

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um who had his first Bigfoot encounter

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and ended up eventually having a first

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person Class A experience Defender blow

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your mind that's what I'm trying to say

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's hands together get the Cheeto dust

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and the nachos off your hands and put

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them together for Rick Taylor

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thank you thank you thank you thank you

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thank you thank you

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thank you a pleasure to be here

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I love sharing and you'll see it's a

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passion of mine uh I had many questions

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when that uh first what number what in

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the world moment happened

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and uh I I dove into it with both ends

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and both feet and uh

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call it luck uh I I've had numerous

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Class A sightings and interaction and

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it's not a doubt in my mind folks these

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things have intellect cognitive thinking

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they are as my Cherokee ancestors uh

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viewed them as a tribe or a clan shout

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out to the Cherokee Nation baby oh yeah

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because you got five zero percent going

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on uh but before we get into that let's

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answer Deb's question so that I mean I

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know that a goal of you and Matt is that

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Nathan Deb and myself look cool amongst

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the Bigfoot community so therefore

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should we use the verb squatching or

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should we remain distant from that verb

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you know squatching is used a lot or

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squatching don't even put the G on it so

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why did you Squatch it

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uh you know you'll hear it in Kentucky

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Texas uh even Missouri in most places if

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somebody's out squatching you know what

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they're doing you know uh it varies the

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techniques people have uh mine has not

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been a chase them down bang on trees

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yell and scream mine is going into an

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area of activity and letting them come

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to you let them let them make the call

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don't try to force them hurt them or uh

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trap or bait them uh if they if they

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even get a inkling that you've got

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something set up as a a trap

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they're gone they're not gonna they're

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not going to want to mess with anything

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uh I've had great success with speaking

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to them

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and and showing respect

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and basically telling them we're here

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visiting we're not here to to do

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anything else and we would like to see

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you you know that's been My Success you

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know so says uh Original Gangster Tom

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Cantrell the guy who had his first

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sighting in 58 basically said the exact

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same thing you just said but just to let

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you know uh what we're gonna do here so

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we'll go into pattern you know myself

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and Nathan and Deb and Matt and we'll

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just keep going in sort of in a circle

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like that uh we want to get you know the

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main points of your story and then I

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want to like really hypothesize with

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with both of you guys uh that have been

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around about you know your hypotheses on

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on certain aspects of of Bigfoot in in

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the um let's just say uh the behaviors

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uh and and things that they do why they

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build things why they do this how they

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do that I would just love to hear some

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of that as well but I don't think we can

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go anywhere until we hear you know first

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of all how this first interaction

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happened to Rick how he ended up having

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this life-changing seminal event at Arla

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Williams place so

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um so please if you would start there

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and uh okay unless anybody does anybody

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else have anything before Rick jumps

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into that

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no I think it's a great place to start

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yeah we have an audience that just may

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not be as familiar with uh the Bigfoot

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uh you know sort of literature and the

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the big cases and Rick I've heard your

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story and it's just super compelling and

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I would love to break it down for us

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thank you well I as many other people my

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remember the Patterson gimlin film and I

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remember watching it for the first time

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uh on ABC uh News Channel and I remember

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the hair standing up on the back of my

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neck watching Patty strut off it looked

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very real

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um freaked me out as a matter of fact

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you know I mean as many people do when

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they come to that point of realizing

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these things exist

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it's a it's a paradigm shift in your way

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of thinking I mean it it a lot of people

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can't handle it but I remember going

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through and my my you know early

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adolescent years uh interested but

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girls job everything you know it fell in

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the rearview mirror and when I moved to

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Texas after college uh I I uh at first

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didn't didn't you know the industry was

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in the toilet and somebody uh talked me

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into between several menial jobs uh to

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to get on and put my application in with

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fire department uh took uh six months

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all kinds of testing and out of the 1800

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applicants I was one of the 60 that was

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you know uh accepted for their training

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class for that that quarter

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um in class there an Orson investigator

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came during some of our training and

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classroom gave a four-hour module in

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fire investigations and it was a light

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bulb moment I mean I said that's what I

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want to do took me 10 years and two

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promotions to get into that job but last

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12 years I was with Houston fire

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department uh was there as a Norse

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investor Captain's rank in the arson

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division but I moved to Texas

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completed my career with the city of

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retired and moved into the Dallas area

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north Texas uh my son we had just one

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son not by choice that's how it worked

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out that's how life dealt it to us love

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fishing more than me he was about 15

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years old oh yeah he he passed me up but

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we would go out and spend all night

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fishing at times you know great father

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and son time and not far from the house

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look it was 25 miles from downtown

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Dallas and and I was told by so-called

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experts no that couldn't be a Bigfoot

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you know it's too close to a major

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metropolitan area and I'm sure you've

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heard those same explanations but in in

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my 20 years of doing this I found that

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they do Venge Venture into populated

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areas for nothing more than rating trash

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cans dumpsters they love landfills

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they're an opportunist you know and they

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you know it's mortgage Board of garbage

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uh is fine with them matter of fact is

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probably you know a delicacy almost from

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what they have in the you know the

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natural sense but we were out there

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fishing in a remote heavily wood matter

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of fact it was Rowlett Creek and people

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listening might know where that is

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Rowlett Creek uh in uh the Garland area

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uh very thickly wooded but heavily

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fished and we were out there maybe from

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about eight o'clock uh caught a few

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Throwbacks had a few bites that weren't

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weren't knocking it out but hardcore

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fisherman it was enough to keep us

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interested and it was after midnight I

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want to say between midnight one o'clock

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uh had folding chairs right by the creek

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it had a sharp drop off right in front

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of us I had my pickup backed up with a a

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Coleman Lantern on which would light the

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area but to bait a hook or something we

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had cap lights we could turn on see real

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good turn the cap light off throw our

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line out there and had stink bait on the

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bottom for catfish had minnows under a

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cork throwing lures basically throwing

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out anyway anything we could to catch

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anything and I started becoming aware

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there was a little side Slough that ran

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right into the main Creek and I had my

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pickup parked on that Apex so we had two

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two water in front of us and water to

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I began to notice maybe a crackle of

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leaves a brush of a limb just subtle

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movement on the on our side of the creek

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but over the other side of that side

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Slough and I'll estimate maybe a hundred

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150 yards maybe 200 when I became aware

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of real subtle movement and over time

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I began to notice it was drawing closer

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uh didn't greatly concern me you've got

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armadillo you've got coyotes raccoons

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you know fortnite foraging animals none

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of which you know were a threat maybe a

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mountain lion which they are they've

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been sighted in and around the Dallas

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area and and the surrounding counties

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at some point the very distinctive

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feeling of being watched came over me

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not unsettling but just made me aware

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and I just casually started kind of

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scanning and panning and looking back at

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our pickup in the parking area my first

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thought was maybe some night

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person homeless person or somebody was

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just checking us out you know and and

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everything and I wasn't too concerned

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because I had a little pocket 380 stuck

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in my my fishing shirt pocket being

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honorably retired I carry protection

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like a set of keys and uh 357 in the

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truck if I you know felt more threatened

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but at least I wouldn't want to get

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popped by a 380 up close I mean it's not

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the weapon of choice but I had

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protection and so I was aware

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but at some point you know when you

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break a branch above the ground when it

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snaps

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the Acoustics are different than the

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branch on the ground being stepped on

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and breaking it has a muffled uh point

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to that sharp snap you can tell it's

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being stepped on rather than being held

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and I caught that muffled snap of a

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pretty good sized branch on across the

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side Slough which immediately told me it

306
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wasn't a light four-legged animal like a

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coyote or armadillo something with

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weight and mass just snap just stepped

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on a branch over there or you know

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pressed it and it broke under their

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their weight

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so I kind of looked around that

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direction where I heard the sound

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casually got up put my pole down didn't

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make a big issue of it went over to my

316
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truck and got a q-beam spotlight

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and I turned it on and I started

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spotting across the side Slough and I

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would say that brush line was probably

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from where we were sitting no less than

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a hundred feet away you know pretty good

322
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distance anything that would have to get

323
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to us would have to cross water so there

324
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was a little bit of confidence or you

325
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know there not to worry but I was

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curious and as I was panning that

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Spotlight back and forth in that thick

328
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brush line now it wasn't protruding out

329
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of the brush but those gaps between the

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leaves and the branches and that bright

331
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light it momentarily illuminated a

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facial shape I'm not talking about a

333
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snout and ears but a facial shape and I

334
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only caught a glimpse because I was

335
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panning at a pretty good speed and I

336
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actually passed it when it registered

337
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there's a face there you know and then I

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snapped the light back and uh it wasn't

339
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there I couldn't locate I don't know if

340
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it recessed back or whatever but I only

341
00:15:51,710 --> 00:15:49,139
got a brief Glimpse but my son saw me

342
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kind of jerk and he turned over there he

343
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goes dad he said what are you doing well

344
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I didn't want to say man I think there's

345
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something over there you know I didn't

346
00:16:02,389 --> 00:15:59,880
want to you know I didn't want to Spook

347
00:16:04,550 --> 00:16:02,399
him up but I said oh I'm I'm just

348
00:16:07,490 --> 00:16:04,560
looking you know and I turned the light

349
00:16:09,410 --> 00:16:07,500
off pretty quick after that put it back

350
00:16:11,509 --> 00:16:09,420
in my truck and acted like you know oh

351
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there's nothing but in my mind I'm

352
00:16:16,370 --> 00:16:13,740
thinking what did I see over there you

353
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know so I got and I sat out in the chair

354
00:16:21,530 --> 00:16:18,540
and picked up my pole again

355
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and I'm going to say not more than 10

356
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minutes probably not less than five uh I

357
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was you know I'd occasionally glance

358
00:16:32,030 --> 00:16:28,680
over there and you know I had my my

359
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hearing attuned to that direction I

360
00:16:37,970 --> 00:16:35,360
heard a a swish a sound movement sound

361
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and I turned and looked over now you

362
00:16:42,410 --> 00:16:39,360
gotta understand it was a Coleman

363
00:16:45,350 --> 00:16:42,420
lantern it wasn't a big bright light but

364
00:16:49,569 --> 00:16:45,360
I saw something coming through the air

365
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arcing up and then down towards us

366
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and it hit the water about five feet in

367
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front of us okay on that sharp uh ledge

368
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right probably five feet away

369
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uh wasn't a baseball Splash or a rock

370
00:17:07,730 --> 00:17:05,040
Splash it was like a 50 pound child

371
00:17:13,130 --> 00:17:07,740
doing a cannonball off the high dive I

372
00:17:18,169 --> 00:17:15,289
Big and of course I'm falling back in my

373
00:17:21,230 --> 00:17:18,179
chair and then jumping up and my son

374
00:17:24,049 --> 00:17:21,240
drops his pole and he latches on to me

375
00:17:26,569 --> 00:17:24,059
like Elise screaming what was that what

376
00:17:29,150 --> 00:17:26,579
was that and I'm I'm pulling him back

377
00:17:31,789 --> 00:17:29,160
watching these big waves fan out from

378
00:17:33,890 --> 00:17:31,799
that impact point and in my mind I'm

379
00:17:36,650 --> 00:17:33,900
thinking what was that you know I mean

380
00:17:40,010 --> 00:17:36,660
it it scared the Daylights out of both

381
00:17:42,529 --> 00:17:40,020
of us and I dropped the pole and you

382
00:17:46,610 --> 00:17:42,539
know ran over to the truck forget the

383
00:17:48,350 --> 00:17:46,620
380 I was grabbing the 357. and I got it

384
00:17:50,029 --> 00:17:48,360
out of the truck and yelled I said

385
00:17:53,630 --> 00:17:50,039
that's not funny

386
00:17:56,810 --> 00:17:53,640
I said if you throw something again I

387
00:17:58,130 --> 00:17:56,820
have a gun I just may shoot back you

388
00:18:00,770 --> 00:17:58,140
know I was given a warning I wasn't

389
00:18:03,230 --> 00:18:00,780
going to go busting caps in the brush or

390
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anything but at the time I I thought

391
00:18:08,450 --> 00:18:05,100
there was somebody messing with this you

392
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know for whatever reason and I was very

393
00:18:13,070 --> 00:18:10,679
angry we were on open public land

394
00:18:15,950 --> 00:18:13,080
minding our own business not bothering

395
00:18:18,470 --> 00:18:15,960
anybody legally there and I walked over

396
00:18:22,310 --> 00:18:18,480
to that side Slough in the area across

397
00:18:25,370 --> 00:18:22,320
from where I saw that face I cocked that

398
00:18:27,890 --> 00:18:25,380
revolver single back single action aimed

399
00:18:29,690 --> 00:18:27,900
it down into the mud beside me not

400
00:18:33,049 --> 00:18:29,700
aiming it in the brush or threatening

401
00:18:36,230 --> 00:18:33,059
anything but uh plug one ear you know

402
00:18:38,870 --> 00:18:36,240
turned away plug one here and uh blew

403
00:18:42,890 --> 00:18:38,880
blasted around off down into the mud I

404
00:18:46,430 --> 00:18:42,900
mean a loud boom well the moment that

405
00:18:49,310 --> 00:18:46,440
that that uh gun went off right on the

406
00:18:53,150 --> 00:18:49,320
other side of us it sounded like a bull

407
00:18:56,630 --> 00:18:53,160
elk a big buck deer or a horse or

408
00:18:59,810 --> 00:18:56,640
something big bolting off away from us

409
00:19:01,730 --> 00:18:59,820
at a pretty good rate of speed and uh

410
00:19:04,789 --> 00:19:01,740
you could hear it crushing bushes

411
00:19:06,950 --> 00:19:04,799
snapping branches it didn't matter the

412
00:19:10,250 --> 00:19:06,960
foliage there it was plowing through it

413
00:19:14,510 --> 00:19:10,260
like a baby bulldozer I mean very very

414
00:19:17,870 --> 00:19:14,520
uh stirring to say the least and it

415
00:19:20,029 --> 00:19:17,880
didn't slow down it it it faded off just

416
00:19:23,630 --> 00:19:20,039
plowing through that that heavy

417
00:19:25,970 --> 00:19:23,640
underbrush and uh my jaw was dropped

418
00:19:30,110 --> 00:19:25,980
open I looked over at my son his jaw was

419
00:19:33,950 --> 00:19:30,120
open and he goes dad what was that and I

420
00:19:36,470 --> 00:19:33,960
said I don't know but let's go you know

421
00:19:40,970 --> 00:19:36,480
I had my first what in the world was

422
00:19:42,890 --> 00:19:40,980
that moment I knew it was big uh I don't

423
00:19:45,110 --> 00:19:42,900
know I I went out the next day looking

424
00:19:49,909 --> 00:19:45,120
at distances David

425
00:19:53,570 --> 00:19:49,919
and I looked at it I estimated and

426
00:19:55,430 --> 00:19:53,580
there's no way uh any human that I know

427
00:19:58,190 --> 00:19:55,440
of could come close to chunking

428
00:20:00,590 --> 00:19:58,200
something that big was it a cinder block

429
00:20:04,610 --> 00:20:00,600
I don't know was it a dirt clod I don't

430
00:20:07,789 --> 00:20:04,620
know piece of concrete it was big and it

431
00:20:10,669 --> 00:20:07,799
lobbed it fairly accurately over over

432
00:20:12,289 --> 00:20:10,679
towards us if it hit either one of us it

433
00:20:16,850 --> 00:20:12,299
could have busted us up or maybe even

434
00:20:19,909 --> 00:20:16,860
killed us but uh I for a a time like

435
00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:19,919
anybody else I would tell that story you

436
00:20:23,690 --> 00:20:22,080
know and you'd get the nods you know and

437
00:20:25,970 --> 00:20:23,700
you know people would hear your story

438
00:20:29,450 --> 00:20:25,980
and I'd say go man what could have done

439
00:20:31,490 --> 00:20:29,460
that and and most people they don't have

440
00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:31,500
an answer for you and they pretty well

441
00:20:37,549 --> 00:20:35,760
well I don't know you know and go ahead

442
00:20:39,350 --> 00:20:37,559
can I interject on this point I actually

443
00:20:41,690 --> 00:20:39,360
want to get your take on this and Matt

444
00:20:44,029 --> 00:20:41,700
and it's because it's one of the areas

445
00:20:45,529 --> 00:20:44,039
that I think all and it could happen to

446
00:20:47,630 --> 00:20:45,539
me if I were out in the forest and this

447
00:20:49,789 --> 00:20:47,640
happened or anybody who's out there and

448
00:20:52,430 --> 00:20:49,799
has a you know even a Class B experience

449
00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:52,440
is there's a cognitive dissidence when

450
00:20:57,470 --> 00:20:54,720
something is thrown at you or multiple

451
00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:57,480
things have thrown at you and you have a

452
00:21:02,390 --> 00:20:59,280
pretty good idea that there aren't

453
00:21:04,909 --> 00:21:02,400
humans out in the area where you are

454
00:21:07,250 --> 00:21:04,919
what you're doing what are the species

455
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:07,260
that are capable of picking up something

456
00:21:10,490 --> 00:21:09,120
and throwing can you and then Matt

457
00:21:13,850 --> 00:21:10,500
please answer that

458
00:21:16,730 --> 00:21:13,860
I don't know of any animal that has the

459
00:21:20,450 --> 00:21:16,740
coordination and the dexterity in their

460
00:21:23,090 --> 00:21:20,460
extremities to grip something maybe a

461
00:21:26,029 --> 00:21:23,100
gorilla could do that possibly you know

462
00:21:28,250 --> 00:21:26,039
but gorillas don't commonly dwell in

463
00:21:31,370 --> 00:21:28,260
North America

464
00:21:34,370 --> 00:21:31,380
um Bears have the power to and I I think

465
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:34,380
they could lift something raise it and

466
00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:39,600
lift it but Bear's arms our legs are are

467
00:21:44,570 --> 00:21:41,520
on joints that that their their

468
00:21:46,850 --> 00:21:44,580
extremities stick out forward they don't

469
00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:46,860
have the ability to like are rotating

470
00:21:51,770 --> 00:21:49,919
shoulders uh to to actually throw

471
00:21:54,350 --> 00:21:51,780
something like that you know with the

472
00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:54,360
elbow motion we I don't know I mean I'm

473
00:21:59,810 --> 00:21:57,840
not an uh expert on Anatomy but I I

474
00:22:02,630 --> 00:21:59,820
played Sports all my life and I don't

475
00:22:05,149 --> 00:22:02,640
know of any animal in North America that

476
00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:05,159
could pick something up and lob it you

477
00:22:12,110 --> 00:22:09,120
know Arc it over towards us I I don't

478
00:22:15,169 --> 00:22:12,120
you know with you Matt

479
00:22:15,950 --> 00:22:15,179
I mean everything he said uh it takes a

480
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:15,960
thumb

481
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:18,960
uh to grasp something so

482
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:21,120
once you start getting

483
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:24,480
above Pebble size you're rolling out

484
00:22:28,010 --> 00:22:26,400
pretty much everything in this part of

485
00:22:32,570 --> 00:22:28,020
the country

486
00:22:36,529 --> 00:22:32,580
um anything let's just say

487
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:36,539
there's some primate uh rehab places in

488
00:22:41,169 --> 00:22:38,640
Texas at least one that I'm aware of

489
00:22:42,909 --> 00:22:41,179
let's just say something got out

490
00:22:46,610 --> 00:22:42,919
uh

491
00:22:48,649 --> 00:22:46,620
primates as far as We Know

492
00:22:50,990 --> 00:22:48,659
the the ones that are large enough to

493
00:22:53,330 --> 00:22:51,000
throw an object like chimps and gorillas

494
00:22:56,750 --> 00:22:53,340
and orangutans and things like that it's

495
00:22:58,250 --> 00:22:56,760
a flinging motion it's not a high arc

496
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:58,260
it's not a throw

497
00:23:02,210 --> 00:23:00,000
uh

498
00:23:04,430 --> 00:23:02,220
and the odds of that you know being out

499
00:23:07,010 --> 00:23:04,440
in the woods and deciding to fling

500
00:23:09,770 --> 00:23:07,020
something at a human I it's just not

501
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:09,780
going to happen uh the shoulder aspect

502
00:23:14,510 --> 00:23:12,960
is a huge one in my opinion not very

503
00:23:17,570 --> 00:23:14,520
many things on this planet have

504
00:23:19,130 --> 00:23:17,580
shoulders like we do and it's that

505
00:23:21,950 --> 00:23:19,140
shoulder strength

506
00:23:24,590 --> 00:23:21,960
that's used in combination with the arm

507
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:24,600
strength to really throw something and

508
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:27,600
uh like Rick you know my first

509
00:23:31,610 --> 00:23:29,280
experience with these things is very

510
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:31,620
similar to his

511
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:34,559
um the first aha moment I had involved

512
00:23:37,970 --> 00:23:36,960
Rock throwing only it was a very tiny

513
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:37,980
Rock

514
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:41,760
and it was something was able to throw

515
00:23:46,130 --> 00:23:43,679
these tiny rocks

516
00:23:47,870 --> 00:23:46,140
and it was accurate enough that it

517
00:23:50,570 --> 00:23:47,880
landed on the hood of the car that I was

518
00:23:52,669 --> 00:23:50,580
leaned up against The Rock bounced off

519
00:23:54,049 --> 00:23:52,679
the hood and hit me in the stomach and

520
00:23:55,370 --> 00:23:54,059
fell back down on the hood in front of

521
00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:55,380
me

522
00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:57,600
I can't pick up a pebble and throw it

523
00:24:01,070 --> 00:23:58,799
through the trees

524
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:01,080
I mean think about that for a second you

525
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:03,360
can't I don't know how that happens yeah

526
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:07,440
so uh I mean Rock throwing has always

527
00:24:13,310 --> 00:24:10,799
since day one stood out to me as like

528
00:24:16,490 --> 00:24:13,320
well how how can you write that one off

529
00:24:18,649 --> 00:24:16,500
there it has to be a person or a Bigfoot

530
00:24:20,930 --> 00:24:18,659
and that's what I call the 50 50

531
00:24:23,930 --> 00:24:20,940
equation which is usually as far as you

532
00:24:25,789 --> 00:24:23,940
can get with evidence so then you start

533
00:24:28,250 --> 00:24:25,799
okay well what are the odds that it's a

534
00:24:31,310 --> 00:24:28,260
person and ultimately you end up in a

535
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:31,320
position where the odds are

536
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:33,840
it's got to be a Bigfoot doing it

537
00:24:37,549 --> 00:24:36,240
yeah and Rick I think it's worth noting

538
00:24:40,010 --> 00:24:37,559
I've heard that a lot of the gorillas

539
00:24:41,930 --> 00:24:40,020
don't like that fishing spot you had so

540
00:24:43,130 --> 00:24:41,940
that makes it less likely that's right I

541
00:24:45,649 --> 00:24:43,140
think I've heard that they're more like

542
00:24:48,350 --> 00:24:45,659
West Texas watering holes that's it

543
00:24:50,029 --> 00:24:48,360
you're you're perfectly correct before

544
00:24:51,289 --> 00:24:50,039
we move on with the story does Nathan

545
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:51,299
and Debs have anything and then we'll

546
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:53,760
just move on if you've got something no

547
00:24:59,870 --> 00:24:57,600
please continue this is great I uh kept

548
00:25:03,470 --> 00:24:59,880
that under my belt for a while and then

549
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:03,480
didn't talk about it as much but uh I

550
00:25:07,850 --> 00:25:05,760
want to say a couple of years later you

551
00:25:11,450 --> 00:25:07,860
know I told the story often

552
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:11,460
uh was surfing the web

553
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:14,159
and somehow one of the threads that

554
00:25:20,090 --> 00:25:16,799
popped up on Google or wherever I was

555
00:25:22,909 --> 00:25:20,100
surfing uh it was a story and and the

556
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:22,919
caption was uh fisherman attacked at

557
00:25:26,930 --> 00:25:24,000
night

558
00:25:29,210 --> 00:25:26,940
and I went whoa let me you know let me

559
00:25:32,029 --> 00:25:29,220
double click on this and see and it was

560
00:25:36,190 --> 00:25:32,039
over in Possum Kingdom Lake here in

561
00:25:40,190 --> 00:25:36,200
Texas and it led me to the BFRO website

562
00:25:41,810 --> 00:25:40,200
and I started reading it in my jaw drop

563
00:25:45,649 --> 00:25:41,820
now there was like three or four

564
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:45,659
fishermen very similar scenarios you

565
00:25:51,169 --> 00:25:48,960
know and man my mind was running Bigfoot

566
00:25:53,210 --> 00:25:51,179
you know Bigfoot you know that type of

567
00:25:57,049 --> 00:25:53,220
thing that's over in the you know the

568
00:25:58,029 --> 00:25:57,059
Pacific Northwest not not in Texas North

569
00:26:01,909 --> 00:25:58,039
Texas

570
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:01,919
and I over reading and even I went to

571
00:26:07,490 --> 00:26:04,320
other different sightings and stuff I

572
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:07,500
was overwhelmed with the documentation

573
00:26:12,890 --> 00:26:09,360
you know of sightings in the different

574
00:26:16,010 --> 00:26:12,900
areas in Texas and across the U.S and uh

575
00:26:20,350 --> 00:26:16,020
it really had my mind running so I went

576
00:26:23,330 --> 00:26:20,360
ahead and uh filled out a report online

577
00:26:26,210 --> 00:26:23,340
uh to to you know explain what happened

578
00:26:28,370 --> 00:26:26,220
where and everything and I I you know

579
00:26:30,110 --> 00:26:28,380
sent it in and I said fat chance I'm

580
00:26:32,750 --> 00:26:30,120
gonna get called back

581
00:26:35,810 --> 00:26:32,760
or you know contacted and it was like

582
00:26:38,450 --> 00:26:35,820
two or three days later I get a call I

583
00:26:40,909 --> 00:26:38,460
didn't take it and it left a voicemail

584
00:26:43,549 --> 00:26:40,919
it was a BFRO investigator

585
00:26:45,169 --> 00:26:43,559
and left a phone number and asked me to

586
00:26:48,590 --> 00:26:45,179
call him back he'd like to talk to me

587
00:26:50,690 --> 00:26:48,600
and I I called him back and uh I

588
00:26:53,570 --> 00:26:50,700
immediately haven't come from public

589
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:53,580
safety law enforcement I could hear

590
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:56,640
radio traffic in the background and I

591
00:27:02,269 --> 00:26:59,760
said uh are you a cop

592
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:02,279
and uh he happened to be a federal

593
00:27:07,789 --> 00:27:06,000
officer in a particular agency and uh he

594
00:27:09,649 --> 00:27:07,799
was in the dispatch he wasn't you know

595
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:09,659
working in but he was in the dispatch

596
00:27:14,450 --> 00:27:12,720
area talking on the phone which added a

597
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:14,460
lot of credibility it didn't take me

598
00:27:19,130 --> 00:27:16,559
long to to know this guy really knew

599
00:27:22,190 --> 00:27:19,140
what he was talking about and he said oh

600
00:27:26,029 --> 00:27:22,200
yeah we're aware of of several instances

601
00:27:29,870 --> 00:27:26,039
in that Waterway of fisherman reporting

602
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:29,880
uh seeing Bigfoot and stuff and so from

603
00:27:36,350 --> 00:27:34,559
there uh I I on my own and with him I

604
00:27:38,990 --> 00:27:36,360
even met him out there we we did a

605
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:39,000
little bit of research uh I got another

606
00:27:44,810 --> 00:27:42,240
newbie and I uh started doing field

607
00:27:48,529 --> 00:27:44,820
research in the area where I had the The

608
00:27:52,370 --> 00:27:48,539
Rock throwing uh we were followed we

609
00:27:54,890 --> 00:27:52,380
were paralleled by something uh found a

610
00:27:58,130 --> 00:27:54,900
little crude bridge over a swamp

611
00:28:00,529 --> 00:27:58,140
Waterway and it was like turning a light

612
00:28:02,750 --> 00:28:00,539
switch on folks I mean we're we're in a

613
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:02,760
particular area of the woods and then

614
00:28:09,409 --> 00:28:05,520
all of a sudden this very pungent

615
00:28:12,830 --> 00:28:09,419
uh kind of a sickening odor just

616
00:28:14,750 --> 00:28:12,840
permeated all around us I mean it the

617
00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:14,760
best way I can describe it is sewer

618
00:28:19,130 --> 00:28:15,840
water

619
00:28:21,649 --> 00:28:19,140
something dead and a wet dog all kind of

620
00:28:26,269 --> 00:28:21,659
mixed together you know in one foul

621
00:28:28,730 --> 00:28:26,279
smell and it was funny it came on and

622
00:28:32,269 --> 00:28:28,740
then it disappeared pretty pretty

623
00:28:35,330 --> 00:28:32,279
quickly I mean uh kind of shocked us a

624
00:28:38,029 --> 00:28:35,340
little bit but we decided to switch our

625
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:38,039
area I did a kind of a topography study

626
00:28:44,690 --> 00:28:41,760
of the Waterway it involved Lake Ray

627
00:28:47,690 --> 00:28:44,700
Hubbard Lake Lavon the East Trinity

628
00:28:51,169 --> 00:28:47,700
River of which Rowlett Creek is a

629
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:51,179
tributary that runs into it and I moved

630
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:53,279
over and we started research in another

631
00:28:59,930 --> 00:28:56,640
area and eventually that is where I had

632
00:29:02,330 --> 00:28:59,940
my first visual sighting of one uh it

633
00:29:04,970 --> 00:29:02,340
was through binoculars during the day we

634
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:04,980
also had activity over there had stuff

635
00:29:11,930 --> 00:29:09,440
thrown at us but uh it was a technique

636
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:11,940
that these researchers showed me when

637
00:29:16,970 --> 00:29:14,640
you get to an area face each other and

638
00:29:19,549 --> 00:29:16,980
watch over each other's show older okay

639
00:29:21,230 --> 00:29:19,559
you you're looking at the guy there but

640
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:21,240
you're looking over her shoulder to your

641
00:29:25,549 --> 00:29:23,039
right you're covering each other's back

642
00:29:28,610 --> 00:29:25,559
and that's exactly what happened I was

643
00:29:31,789 --> 00:29:28,620
talking to him but I had binoculars and

644
00:29:34,190 --> 00:29:31,799
uh what caught my attention it was down

645
00:29:35,810 --> 00:29:34,200
by one of the creek Banks over there and

646
00:29:39,649 --> 00:29:35,820
we were looking at some stick structures

647
00:29:42,049 --> 00:29:39,659
a little glint of light it was a flash

648
00:29:45,769 --> 00:29:42,059
of light caught my attention and all the

649
00:29:47,810 --> 00:29:45,779
greens and the Browns of the forest and

650
00:29:50,450 --> 00:29:47,820
I I turned my binoculars over there and

651
00:29:53,450 --> 00:29:50,460
I said it was too late for do on on

652
00:29:55,130 --> 00:29:53,460
leaves I said what reflected like that

653
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:55,140
you know it was like a little mirror you

654
00:30:00,110 --> 00:29:57,200
know just a little flash glint of light

655
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:00,120
and I was looking right in the area the

656
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:02,640
bush and the tree where I saw it

657
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:06,960
and it turned out to be the sweaty

658
00:30:13,789 --> 00:30:08,159
forehead

659
00:30:16,130 --> 00:30:13,799
of of not a a brown black uh normal

660
00:30:18,970 --> 00:30:16,140
color of a Bigfoot he was gray of course

661
00:30:21,130 --> 00:30:18,980
you know he was like gray

662
00:30:24,529 --> 00:30:21,140
right now yeah

663
00:30:26,269 --> 00:30:24,539
I mean hey I don't care I don't care

664
00:30:30,049 --> 00:30:26,279
about it turning gray as long as it

665
00:30:32,590 --> 00:30:30,059
doesn't turn loose David yes yes uh yes

666
00:30:35,690 --> 00:30:32,600
sir well I've lost some here but anyway

667
00:30:39,710 --> 00:30:35,700
uh if he kind of looked like Stephen

668
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:39,720
Stills you know had the big forehead and

669
00:30:45,649 --> 00:30:41,760
had kind of the gray hair down that's

670
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:45,659
I'm serious but he was down in the brush

671
00:30:51,409 --> 00:30:48,960
looking right at me and it was a sweaty

672
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:51,419
forehead that caught my attention of

673
00:30:55,370 --> 00:30:53,279
course the guy that I'm looking over the

674
00:30:56,750 --> 00:30:55,380
shoulders was I said there's one right

675
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:56,760
there I can see it of course he's

676
00:31:01,669 --> 00:30:58,799
turning around where where you know and

677
00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:01,679
trying to trying to turn and move that

678
00:31:05,690 --> 00:31:03,840
direction and I was trying to move

679
00:31:08,330 --> 00:31:05,700
closer have you ever tried walking in

680
00:31:10,430 --> 00:31:08,340
the woods looking through binoculars not

681
00:31:13,549 --> 00:31:10,440
watching where your feet are stepping it

682
00:31:15,769 --> 00:31:13,559
doesn't work folks I hit a log and

683
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:15,779
almost face planted you know I had to do

684
00:31:20,690 --> 00:31:18,240
some some quick movements to keep from

685
00:31:22,909 --> 00:31:20,700
crushing my face and once I got my

686
00:31:25,789 --> 00:31:22,919
balance back and got the binoculars back

687
00:31:28,850 --> 00:31:25,799
up the Bush was swaying and the big guy

688
00:31:32,029 --> 00:31:28,860
was was gone he he saw his opportunity

689
00:31:34,669 --> 00:31:32,039
to leave and that was my first sighting

690
00:31:38,810 --> 00:31:34,679
yeah at a distance 150 yards through

691
00:31:41,570 --> 00:31:38,820
binoculars but uh that in and of itself

692
00:31:44,930 --> 00:31:41,580
I thought once I had the my siding

693
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:44,940
everybody would believe they exist not

694
00:31:52,490 --> 00:31:46,159
so

695
00:31:54,169 --> 00:31:52,500
you know hey um I hear people's wives

696
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:54,179
like you know someone they love and

697
00:31:57,529 --> 00:31:55,919
they're married to and they say look I

698
00:32:00,769 --> 00:31:57,539
had an encounter tonight and you're like

699
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:00,779
yeah sure he did but uh I went Julie has

700
00:32:05,690 --> 00:32:03,360
a question for you guys uh whomever Rick

701
00:32:07,789 --> 00:32:05,700
take this and if and also Matt if you

702
00:32:12,169 --> 00:32:07,799
want to win this ask him about spiral

703
00:32:13,789 --> 00:32:12,179
Vine is that sasquatchy so I think Jules

704
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:13,799
are you talking about a forest structure

705
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:15,840
that you've seen spiral Vine

706
00:32:20,930 --> 00:32:18,480
I think is that does that ring a bell

707
00:32:23,389 --> 00:32:20,940
with you guys or no well I've seen a lot

708
00:32:25,490 --> 00:32:23,399
of stuff twisted and braided up if

709
00:32:28,610 --> 00:32:25,500
that's what you're talking about they

710
00:32:30,289 --> 00:32:28,620
they uh they seem to do that I don't

711
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:30,299
know if it's just casual you know

712
00:32:35,870 --> 00:32:32,880
something they just like doing uh I do

713
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:35,880
know they like to braid horses Mains uh

714
00:32:40,370 --> 00:32:38,640
a man that I attend church with I

715
00:32:43,549 --> 00:32:40,380
mentioned it one time I said you know he

716
00:32:45,470 --> 00:32:43,559
mentioned he had horses and I said uh

717
00:32:46,850 --> 00:32:45,480
have you ever found your horse's manes

718
00:32:49,370 --> 00:32:46,860
braided

719
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:49,380
he kind of looked at me said man

720
00:32:54,169 --> 00:32:52,080
I I never looked I never noticed I said

721
00:32:55,970 --> 00:32:54,179
well you got horses and he was near a

722
00:32:57,950 --> 00:32:55,980
Game Preserve or a nature preserve

723
00:33:01,070 --> 00:32:57,960
behind his his property

724
00:33:03,950 --> 00:33:01,080
guess what next next week at church the

725
00:33:07,549 --> 00:33:03,960
guy brings a picture of a braid of his

726
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:07,559
braided horse's mane and it wasn't a

727
00:33:13,549 --> 00:33:10,320
week or two later uh he took a picture

728
00:33:17,810 --> 00:33:15,769
whatever it was set in the snow and it

729
00:33:21,470 --> 00:33:17,820
melted in the form of their butt cheeks

730
00:33:24,830 --> 00:33:21,480
you know oh yeah yeah he brought me that

731
00:33:26,810 --> 00:33:24,840
picture with with a with a with with a

732
00:33:28,490 --> 00:33:26,820
foot impression in the back of his

733
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:28,500
property there so they apparently were

734
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:30,720
coming in there but it you know stuff

735
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:34,080
like that folks people with no reason to

736
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:37,679
lie you know telling you things that

737
00:33:43,789 --> 00:33:39,840
they say look I don't care what people

738
00:33:45,889 --> 00:33:43,799
say I saw what I saw and in my early

739
00:33:48,350 --> 00:33:45,899
information gathering

740
00:33:51,769 --> 00:33:48,360
uh with you know my first career

741
00:33:55,250 --> 00:33:51,779
interviewing or custodial interrogation

742
00:33:58,190 --> 00:33:55,260
was a part of my job I'm pretty good at

743
00:34:01,970 --> 00:33:58,200
at getting one-on-one with somebody mono

744
00:34:03,649 --> 00:34:01,980
imano and my My Success on whether

745
00:34:06,409 --> 00:34:03,659
they're fabricating or actually

746
00:34:08,510 --> 00:34:06,419
recalling what the experience can run up

747
00:34:12,109 --> 00:34:08,520
close to 90 percent now it's got to be

748
00:34:15,050 --> 00:34:12,119
in a very con controlled unintrusive no

749
00:34:17,810 --> 00:34:15,060
distractions environment but I would

750
00:34:20,510 --> 00:34:17,820
throw that on people sometimes and not

751
00:34:23,869 --> 00:34:20,520
not in an interrogation form in a casual

752
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:23,879
you know conversation but I could tell

753
00:34:30,050 --> 00:34:27,359
this person was not lying to me you know

754
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:30,060
and they had no reason or personal gain

755
00:34:34,730 --> 00:34:31,919
to be telling their story that's what

756
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:34,740
convinced me more than even my first

757
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:36,960
visual sightings there's something to

758
00:34:41,930 --> 00:34:39,599
this man you know these people are not a

759
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:41,940
Cadre of liars you know that are that

760
00:34:46,849 --> 00:34:45,359
that have kind of formed a a union or a

761
00:34:48,369 --> 00:34:46,859
bond you know when you talk to one

762
00:34:51,470 --> 00:34:48,379
person from one end of the country

763
00:34:54,109 --> 00:34:51,480
telling you my new details on another

764
00:34:57,170 --> 00:34:54,119
end of the country things that wouldn't

765
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:57,180
matter or make any difference and they

766
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:59,280
tell you these minute details that are

767
00:35:02,329 --> 00:35:00,960
exactly the same

768
00:35:05,450 --> 00:35:02,339
there's something too it's called

769
00:35:07,490 --> 00:35:05,460
cooperation you know and yeah I think

770
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:07,500
there's a pretty good Cadre of Witnesses

771
00:35:13,250 --> 00:35:10,160
in like 49 states plus Canada

772
00:35:14,810 --> 00:35:13,260
absolutely North America now I don't

773
00:35:16,210 --> 00:35:14,820
know if too many come from Mexico I've

774
00:35:19,790 --> 00:35:16,220
heard of a few

775
00:35:23,870 --> 00:35:19,800
stories out of Mexico but North America

776
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:23,880
you know from U.S up you know is is full

777
00:35:29,089 --> 00:35:25,520
of all that but

778
00:35:31,790 --> 00:35:29,099
I as many other people David believed

779
00:35:34,910 --> 00:35:31,800
they were an Undiscovered primate highly

780
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:34,920
elusive undiscovered primate in my

781
00:35:41,569 --> 00:35:37,760
initial you know uh information

782
00:35:45,650 --> 00:35:41,579
gathering didn't go much to my Native

783
00:35:48,170 --> 00:35:45,660
American uh lineage and blood till later

784
00:35:50,770 --> 00:35:48,180
my grandmother was full-blood Cherokee

785
00:35:54,650 --> 00:35:50,780
my grandfather was mixed blood Cherokee

786
00:35:57,050 --> 00:35:54,660
uh I I took after the Scots Irish Dutch

787
00:35:59,690 --> 00:35:57,060
in German and I'm I'm proud of all of it

788
00:36:04,430 --> 00:35:59,700
it's who I am I can't be anybody but me

789
00:36:06,890 --> 00:36:04,440
but the native people when you study and

790
00:36:09,950 --> 00:36:06,900
gather information their perspective of

791
00:36:12,770 --> 00:36:09,960
these subjects in most cases are very

792
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:12,780
different than than the European you

793
00:36:19,609 --> 00:36:15,839
know lineage Americans uh it's not a big

794
00:36:22,250 --> 00:36:19,619
deal with these people and Arla uh

795
00:36:25,130 --> 00:36:22,260
Williams who you mentioned is is has

796
00:36:28,490 --> 00:36:25,140
native descent and and that's where my

797
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:28,500
Epiphany actually occurred in my whole

798
00:36:34,250 --> 00:36:30,960
way of thinking about these these

799
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:34,260
subjects Changed by an extraordinary

800
00:36:41,630 --> 00:36:39,359
chain of events uh I I was uh I heard

801
00:36:44,810 --> 00:36:41,640
and I talked to Arlen and some of what

802
00:36:47,329 --> 00:36:44,820
she told me David and any other folks it

803
00:36:50,810 --> 00:36:47,339
sounded too incredible I mean you know

804
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:50,820
people would call it a woo factor and uh

805
00:36:55,089 --> 00:36:53,040
I found a lot of very serious

806
00:36:58,970 --> 00:36:55,099
researchers without

807
00:37:02,270 --> 00:36:58,980
formal forensic training education and

808
00:37:04,910 --> 00:37:02,280
experience form very strict boundaries

809
00:37:07,630 --> 00:37:04,920
as to what these subjects are and what

810
00:37:11,450 --> 00:37:07,640
they're not and if it doesn't meet that

811
00:37:13,730 --> 00:37:11,460
expectation biased it's thrown out and

812
00:37:15,650 --> 00:37:13,740
I'll tell you it's not that's not the

813
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:15,660
scientific method you consider all

814
00:37:24,290 --> 00:37:20,160
possibilities very very critically and

815
00:37:26,329 --> 00:37:24,300
closely but sadly in this line you've

816
00:37:29,450 --> 00:37:26,339
got a lot of people no that's not it it

817
00:37:31,730 --> 00:37:29,460
was just like me told very by very

818
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:31,740
so-called experts no you didn't see a

819
00:37:35,930 --> 00:37:33,599
bit you know that wasn't a Bigfoot

820
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:35,940
experience too close to the to the

821
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:39,839
Dallas area well what what you know

822
00:37:45,050 --> 00:37:42,000
empirical knowledge do you have that you

823
00:37:47,810 --> 00:37:45,060
can base that opinion and statement on

824
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:47,820
on scientific facts you know it's it's

825
00:37:53,569 --> 00:37:51,839
just an opinion an expectation biased if

826
00:37:55,849 --> 00:37:53,579
it doesn't fit their preconceived ideas

827
00:37:58,609 --> 00:37:55,859
they they throw it out I'm sorry I got

828
00:38:01,250 --> 00:37:58,619
on that soapbox folks but no that's good

829
00:38:03,170 --> 00:38:01,260
it's true you got to consider all

830
00:38:06,109 --> 00:38:03,180
possibilities well

831
00:38:09,230 --> 00:38:06,119
I had thought that they were a you know

832
00:38:11,810 --> 00:38:09,240
like I said an Undiscovered primate that

833
00:38:14,450 --> 00:38:11,820
can be baited tricked and everything and

834
00:38:16,910 --> 00:38:14,460
I I told Arla I asked her I said can I

835
00:38:19,569 --> 00:38:16,920
pay it was a drum make Native American

836
00:38:23,089 --> 00:38:19,579
drum making Workshop there were probably

837
00:38:25,490 --> 00:38:23,099
25 or 30 people there on her land you

838
00:38:26,990 --> 00:38:25,500
know that that were attending I told her

839
00:38:28,970 --> 00:38:27,000
I said I wasn't interested in making

840
00:38:31,490 --> 00:38:28,980
drums but could I come up and hang out

841
00:38:33,290 --> 00:38:31,500
and kind of you know lurk around your

842
00:38:35,170 --> 00:38:33,300
property because she had had been

843
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:35,180
reported she had a ton of big fat

844
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:37,440
Bigfoot activity there

845
00:38:43,609 --> 00:38:41,280
and so for I want to say three two I

846
00:38:45,290 --> 00:38:43,619
remember I get lost on the time frame I

847
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:45,300
don't know it was a four day long

848
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:48,000
weekend or three three to four days up

849
00:38:55,970 --> 00:38:51,359
there uh I lurked around snuck around

850
00:38:58,450 --> 00:38:55,980
with a gin one uh night vision scope and

851
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:58,460
I had a little RCA Small Wonder

852
00:39:04,250 --> 00:39:00,960
camcorder that I could hold over the

853
00:39:07,130 --> 00:39:04,260
eyepiece of that gen 1 scope and I could

854
00:39:09,050 --> 00:39:07,140
actually record the video you know

855
00:39:12,109 --> 00:39:09,060
through the eyepiece and then of course

856
00:39:13,970 --> 00:39:12,119
the camcorder had a you know a mic to it

857
00:39:14,990 --> 00:39:13,980
so I could get audio and video night

858
00:39:17,690 --> 00:39:15,000
vision

859
00:39:21,770 --> 00:39:17,700
and of course I sent you that one clip

860
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:21,780
David of the uh the one voice you need

861
00:39:26,750 --> 00:39:24,960
earphones to hear it but uh I will I

862
00:39:28,430 --> 00:39:26,760
didn't have a chance yet today to listen

863
00:39:29,930 --> 00:39:28,440
Okay and by the way Rick I'm

864
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:29,940
disappointed that you didn't make the

865
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:32,160
drums and research I feel like you

866
00:39:35,329 --> 00:39:34,320
should have dual rolled on this one I

867
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:35,339
feel like you should have left there

868
00:39:39,890 --> 00:39:37,440
with a Cherokee drum I really do but

869
00:39:41,230 --> 00:39:39,900
anyway no ah yeah I shortchanged him

870
00:39:44,990 --> 00:39:41,240
there but

871
00:39:48,170 --> 00:39:45,000
I for for several days I got LED around

872
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:48,180
with a few knocks a few whoops you know

873
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:50,400
and I like a chicken with my head cut

874
00:39:57,730 --> 00:39:53,520
off they they were having fun with me

875
00:40:00,109 --> 00:39:57,740
but not doing much and I got I got

876
00:40:02,750 --> 00:40:00,119
discouraged upset

877
00:40:04,970 --> 00:40:02,760
I remember it was turning dark

878
00:40:08,450 --> 00:40:04,980
I had driven my truck down a remote

879
00:40:11,210 --> 00:40:08,460
access road there was nobody around okay

880
00:40:14,210 --> 00:40:11,220
that was private property she's

881
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:14,220
surrounded by people that if they catch

882
00:40:17,569 --> 00:40:15,839
you on their property you stand a good

883
00:40:20,089 --> 00:40:17,579
chance of getting shot if you don't

884
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:20,099
belong there yeah you're going to be

885
00:40:25,730 --> 00:40:21,839
dealt with you know and it could be

886
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:25,740
Swift and hard Fast and Furious so it

887
00:40:29,569 --> 00:40:27,839
wouldn't be the place a casual prankster

888
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:29,579
or somebody is just going to be passing

889
00:40:34,609 --> 00:40:31,920
through it's hard to get in there in the

890
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:34,619
first place so I was on one of the roads

891
00:40:38,270 --> 00:40:36,720
there access roads unfortunately all the

892
00:40:40,490 --> 00:40:38,280
neighbors knew we were all there with

893
00:40:43,250 --> 00:40:40,500
Arla so that wasn't a problem

894
00:40:45,230 --> 00:40:43,260
but I was sitting on my tailgate and I

895
00:40:46,910 --> 00:40:45,240
got that feeling of being watched again

896
00:40:50,450 --> 00:40:46,920
okay

897
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:50,460
and I was I was I was like I said

898
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:53,040
discouraged and I said look now if

899
00:40:56,990 --> 00:40:54,480
somebody had walked up they saw me

900
00:40:59,510 --> 00:40:57,000
talking to the trees you know but

901
00:41:03,349 --> 00:40:59,520
I you know I said look

902
00:41:06,829 --> 00:41:03,359
all I want is a close-up

903
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:06,839
view I want to see you up close that's

904
00:41:11,890 --> 00:41:09,359
all that's all I just I just want to see

905
00:41:16,250 --> 00:41:11,900
you up close I'm not here to hurt you

906
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:16,260
just let me see you up close

907
00:41:20,569 --> 00:41:18,960
and one of the guys there he called me

908
00:41:23,170 --> 00:41:20,579
on the radio he said I'm making my way

909
00:41:25,310 --> 00:41:23,180
down you know the the law the the road

910
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:25,320
and he said I'll be there in a second

911
00:41:28,490 --> 00:41:26,880
and he came up

912
00:41:30,290 --> 00:41:28,500
he said did you know you were being

913
00:41:31,970 --> 00:41:30,300
watched I said well I kind of felt like

914
00:41:34,430 --> 00:41:31,980
he said yeah I saw him moving North

915
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:34,440
through the woods away from you he said

916
00:41:38,810 --> 00:41:36,720
I didn't get a good look but they were

917
00:41:41,210 --> 00:41:38,820
moving away but they had been close to

918
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:41,220
you on your your right north side you

919
00:41:46,310 --> 00:41:42,960
know as you were sitting on the back

920
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:46,320
your truck so you know went in had we

921
00:41:54,589 --> 00:41:50,400
ate had had stuff uh went to bed uh in

922
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:54,599
my camper shell and uh the next day

923
00:41:59,150 --> 00:41:57,359
early that day some ladies had had a

924
00:42:01,490 --> 00:41:59,160
sighting on a lunch break they weren't

925
00:42:03,290 --> 00:42:01,500
there for bigfoot but they were down

926
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:03,300
there they'd ate lunch and went down by

927
00:42:08,270 --> 00:42:05,520
this Creek sat on some rock ledge and

928
00:42:10,550 --> 00:42:08,280
and come back gushing that they saw this

929
00:42:12,829 --> 00:42:10,560
this figure peeking around the tree at

930
00:42:16,010 --> 00:42:12,839
them and and she caught a she caught a

931
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:16,020
uh a little old phone picture of it hey

932
00:42:22,190 --> 00:42:19,920
I was I was torqued folks I was mad I've

933
00:42:24,770 --> 00:42:22,200
been up there for three days and didn't

934
00:42:26,990 --> 00:42:24,780
see anything and these ladies that were

935
00:42:30,349 --> 00:42:27,000
up there not even there for bigfoots it

936
00:42:32,270 --> 00:42:30,359
wasn't fair they saw one you know and so

937
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:32,280
I was pretty well kind of bummed out

938
00:42:38,450 --> 00:42:35,040
about that but I did have them take me

939
00:42:40,910 --> 00:42:38,460
back to that area and I was at the time

940
00:42:43,550 --> 00:42:40,920
all I could see I'm holding this RCA

941
00:42:46,430 --> 00:42:43,560
Small Wonder with a little one by one

942
00:42:48,589 --> 00:42:46,440
LED screen in the sunlight with little

943
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,599
uh monocular on the front it was a jury

944
00:42:53,930 --> 00:42:50,880
rig uh telephoto but I could put them

945
00:42:56,930 --> 00:42:53,940
both in my front shirt pocket I did get

946
00:42:58,730 --> 00:42:56,940
one I didn't send you the the video of

947
00:43:01,250 --> 00:42:58,740
that but at the time I just saw a

948
00:43:04,370 --> 00:43:01,260
movement it was later studying my videos

949
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:04,380
that I said wow I actually got one you

950
00:43:12,650 --> 00:43:07,680
know so but that that night

951
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:12,660
uh my as as was my uh uh modus operandi

952
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:15,359
is I would leave the the Fireside Native

953
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:18,240
American functions and I would go into

954
00:43:24,410 --> 00:43:21,359
the woods Arla had a clear-cut what

955
00:43:26,329 --> 00:43:24,420
maybe 30 40 acres and then was

956
00:43:29,089 --> 00:43:26,339
surrounded by thick Woods I would go

957
00:43:33,470 --> 00:43:29,099
into the woods One Direction I would

958
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:33,480
stop I would I would be totally still I

959
00:43:38,809 --> 00:43:36,240
would pan and scan with my gen 1 to make

960
00:43:41,569 --> 00:43:38,819
sure I wasn't being followed because I

961
00:43:44,809 --> 00:43:41,579
kind of had a little skept it step and

962
00:43:46,730 --> 00:43:44,819
it was a skeptic that I might be pranked

963
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:46,740
with you know that somebody might you

964
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:49,680
know just play with me people you know

965
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:52,319
and uh it was just in the back of my

966
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:55,200
mind I was skeptical over that and I

967
00:43:59,809 --> 00:43:56,640
wouldn't want to make sure that I wasn't

968
00:44:01,550 --> 00:43:59,819
followed well I went into the woods on

969
00:44:03,609 --> 00:44:01,560
the south side of her property and I

970
00:44:06,170 --> 00:44:03,619
made my way around towards the east

971
00:44:09,290 --> 00:44:06,180
stopping panning and scanning and seeing

972
00:44:11,690 --> 00:44:09,300
if I was being followed and uh no

973
00:44:14,690 --> 00:44:11,700
nothing you know nobody was there I got

974
00:44:16,910 --> 00:44:14,700
into a very uh tactical position where

975
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:16,920
Arla said they may come out of the woods

976
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:19,200
and watch the Fireside service so I was

977
00:44:25,490 --> 00:44:22,560
flanking that position and I was going

978
00:44:29,150 --> 00:44:25,500
to try to get video If one came out of

979
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:29,160
the uh Out of the Woods excuse me

980
00:44:34,250 --> 00:44:32,880
so I never saw Arla leave the group of

981
00:44:37,550 --> 00:44:34,260
course I wasn't really watching the

982
00:44:40,250 --> 00:44:37,560
group that much but at some point I see

983
00:44:41,930 --> 00:44:40,260
this figure coming out of the woods you

984
00:44:44,809 --> 00:44:41,940
know and I began videoing and everything

985
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:44,819
and and oh yeah I want to get one and

986
00:44:48,829 --> 00:44:47,280
all sudden I wait a minute it's out in

987
00:44:52,490 --> 00:44:48,839
the clear now and they're not going

988
00:44:54,650 --> 00:44:52,500
anywhere but towards me and I'm kind of

989
00:44:56,990 --> 00:44:54,660
puzzled and I'm watching and saying who

990
00:44:58,490 --> 00:44:57,000
is this I quit videoing and I looked

991
00:45:02,270 --> 00:44:58,500
through the the scope and get a better

992
00:45:04,190 --> 00:45:02,280
look it was Arla I'm thinking

993
00:45:07,130 --> 00:45:04,200
when did she go over there I didn't see

994
00:45:08,809 --> 00:45:07,140
her leave the the group and uh instead

995
00:45:11,930 --> 00:45:08,819
of heading back towards there now you

996
00:45:14,690 --> 00:45:11,940
look it was almost pitch well two-thirds

997
00:45:17,450 --> 00:45:14,700
moon but under that canopy it was dark

998
00:45:20,750 --> 00:45:17,460
uh she didn't go back to the group she

999
00:45:22,490 --> 00:45:20,760
she made a beeline towards me and I

1000
00:45:25,250 --> 00:45:22,500
stood up out of the brush when she got

1001
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:25,260
you know half dozen steps away and I

1002
00:45:31,490 --> 00:45:28,560
said Arla how did you know I was here

1003
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:31,500
she goes they told me you were here

1004
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:34,560
and you know my mind is still doubt and

1005
00:45:40,010 --> 00:45:36,480
I'm saying well that's pretty good you

1006
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:40,020
know that she found me but the next

1007
00:45:45,410 --> 00:45:43,440
statement blew me away she said do you

1008
00:45:47,089 --> 00:45:45,420
want to go see them

1009
00:45:50,089 --> 00:45:47,099
okay

1010
00:45:53,329 --> 00:45:50,099
the night before I'm telling them with

1011
00:45:55,609 --> 00:45:53,339
nobody else around I want to see you

1012
00:45:58,910 --> 00:45:55,619
and then the next night somebody that

1013
00:46:01,069 --> 00:45:58,920
wasn't there didn't know what I said ask

1014
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:01,079
me the question do you want to go see

1015
00:46:07,609 --> 00:46:03,920
them wow

1016
00:46:09,890 --> 00:46:07,619
exactly you know my investigative law

1017
00:46:13,069 --> 00:46:09,900
enforcement mine knew the chances of

1018
00:46:16,010 --> 00:46:13,079
that are not impossible nor is it

1019
00:46:19,609 --> 00:46:16,020
impossible to get hit by a meteorite you

1020
00:46:22,250 --> 00:46:19,619
know or a comet but it's not likely you

1021
00:46:25,370 --> 00:46:22,260
know I mean that blew me away when she

1022
00:46:28,370 --> 00:46:25,380
said that and I said sure you know my

1023
00:46:30,410 --> 00:46:28,380
mind's still trying to digest wow if

1024
00:46:31,309 --> 00:46:30,420
this is a prank they're pretty good at

1025
00:46:35,210 --> 00:46:31,319
this

1026
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:35,220
so uh we went by the uh we went by the

1027
00:46:40,430 --> 00:46:36,720
group

1028
00:46:42,109 --> 00:46:40,440
and uh walked back up to the north side

1029
00:46:46,609 --> 00:46:42,119
of her property

1030
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:46,619
and it was uh uh I want to say that

1031
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:49,920
about a six foot fence five to six foot

1032
00:46:57,950 --> 00:46:54,240
fence uh game fence wooden the clear cut

1033
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:57,960
was about 10 feet out from the fence and

1034
00:47:03,470 --> 00:47:00,000
I leaned on it and arless started

1035
00:47:06,829 --> 00:47:03,480
calling these subjects by name okay

1036
00:47:08,930 --> 00:47:06,839
and it sounded real to me I could hear

1037
00:47:11,450 --> 00:47:08,940
it coming up out of the creek bottom

1038
00:47:14,750 --> 00:47:11,460
from due east

1039
00:47:17,210 --> 00:47:14,760
at least one maybe a couple and then I

1040
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:17,220
began to hear the same thing coming from

1041
00:47:23,569 --> 00:47:19,680
our Northeast coming up out of the creek

1042
00:47:26,569 --> 00:47:23,579
bottom and into our Southeast even more

1043
00:47:30,309 --> 00:47:26,579
footfalls and it's in the thick Oklahoma

1044
00:47:32,990 --> 00:47:30,319
brush it's pitch dark I don't see any

1045
00:47:34,750 --> 00:47:33,000
flashlights and I'm thinking you know if

1046
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:34,760
these people are pranking with me

1047
00:47:40,730 --> 00:47:38,160
they're pretty good you know it sounds

1048
00:47:43,250 --> 00:47:40,740
real and big to me and they made their

1049
00:47:46,730 --> 00:47:43,260
way towards us from three different

1050
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:46,740
directions and I would estimate pause in

1051
00:47:50,990 --> 00:47:48,960
the thick foliage about 10 feet back

1052
00:47:53,930 --> 00:47:51,000
they didn't come out they didn't break

1053
00:47:56,930 --> 00:47:53,940
cover but all this moved up it sounded

1054
00:47:59,569 --> 00:47:56,940
very real and Arla had told me don't

1055
00:48:01,849 --> 00:47:59,579
take any pictures don't put anything up

1056
00:48:06,349 --> 00:48:01,859
to your face and don't use a flashlight

1057
00:48:08,930 --> 00:48:06,359
and I you know I said okay but at that

1058
00:48:11,930 --> 00:48:08,940
point I asked her I said Can can I use

1059
00:48:13,970 --> 00:48:11,940
my night vision I wanna I wanna kind of

1060
00:48:16,910 --> 00:48:13,980
get a look at what's behind that brush

1061
00:48:20,270 --> 00:48:16,920
back there and she said yeah go ahead

1062
00:48:22,609 --> 00:48:20,280
now I had just used this scope folks it

1063
00:48:26,329 --> 00:48:22,619
was nearly brand new

1064
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:26,339
and I could not get that scope to come

1065
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:28,079
on okay

1066
00:48:33,170 --> 00:48:30,240
and I'm fiddling with the batteries and

1067
00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:33,180
the switch and everything I tried it two

1068
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:36,240
times and I looked over at Arlen I said

1069
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:38,640
it's not working man I don't know what

1070
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:41,040
happened to it and she just kind of

1071
00:48:45,730 --> 00:48:43,690
smiled and she goes try it now

1072
00:48:49,790 --> 00:48:45,740
[Laughter]

1073
00:48:52,430 --> 00:48:49,800
click right on okay my first thought was

1074
00:48:55,550 --> 00:48:52,440
whoa is this woman a witch or something

1075
00:48:58,130 --> 00:48:55,560
or what you know I mean it was freaking

1076
00:49:00,290 --> 00:48:58,140
me out that really knocked me out of my

1077
00:49:03,050 --> 00:49:00,300
comfort zone because I'm thinking how

1078
00:49:07,730 --> 00:49:03,060
could anybody unless they had some kind

1079
00:49:10,010 --> 00:49:07,740
of uh fantastic EMF you know uh how

1080
00:49:12,530 --> 00:49:10,020
could they affect this night vision that

1081
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:12,540
was working fine and of course I

1082
00:49:16,910 --> 00:49:14,160
couldn't see anything through the thick

1083
00:49:19,609 --> 00:49:16,920
brush you know I I couldn't see anything

1084
00:49:22,130 --> 00:49:19,619
even tried to iron Illuminator and saw

1085
00:49:23,630 --> 00:49:22,140
more leaves and branches nothing you

1086
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:23,640
know I could it wasn't the next it

1087
00:49:28,010 --> 00:49:25,440
wasn't an x-ray machine they were back

1088
00:49:29,690 --> 00:49:28,020
there but I couldn't see them so I

1089
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:29,700
turned it off I put it back in its

1090
00:49:33,890 --> 00:49:32,160
holster and I said well I can't see

1091
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:33,900
anything she said well you want to go

1092
00:49:37,730 --> 00:49:35,520
inside now

1093
00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:37,740
and I'm going to be brutally honest with

1094
00:49:41,809 --> 00:49:40,800
you folks I don't do vulnerable very

1095
00:49:45,530 --> 00:49:41,819
well

1096
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:45,540
uh what what was back there sounded big

1097
00:49:53,089 --> 00:49:50,400
and I wasn't sure exactly what it was uh

1098
00:49:55,849 --> 00:49:53,099
if she'd have been a man I'm you know a

1099
00:50:00,170 --> 00:49:55,859
man I'd have probably said no I'm good

1100
00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:00,180
yeah I'm good but exactly but look and

1101
00:50:05,450 --> 00:50:02,640
I'm not a male chauvinist but my

1102
00:50:08,270 --> 00:50:05,460
testosterone Pride would not let me wimp

1103
00:50:10,550 --> 00:50:08,280
out in front of a woman okay I couldn't

1104
00:50:16,850 --> 00:50:10,560
say no you know she was hey you want to

1105
00:50:16,860 --> 00:50:24,670
[Laughter]

1106
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:27,650
we walked through the gate and then went

1107
00:50:35,089 --> 00:50:32,160
back about 50 yards to a a clear-cut

1108
00:50:38,930 --> 00:50:35,099
trail very narrow I mean on both sides

1109
00:50:40,970 --> 00:50:38,940
there was brush maybe chest to to you

1110
00:50:43,970 --> 00:50:40,980
know shoulder high and maybe even higher

1111
00:50:46,730 --> 00:50:43,980
of course a big canopy of trees when we

1112
00:50:49,730 --> 00:50:46,740
turned East into that trail out of that

1113
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:49,740
two-thirds Moon I couldn't see but

1114
00:50:56,329 --> 00:50:53,520
hardly see the back of her head and I I

1115
00:50:59,150 --> 00:50:56,339
invaded her personal space I got right

1116
00:51:01,490 --> 00:50:59,160
on her six o'clock because I didn't want

1117
00:51:03,530 --> 00:51:01,500
to I didn't want to separate from her I

1118
00:51:05,950 --> 00:51:03,540
mean I was right there on her six

1119
00:51:09,530 --> 00:51:05,960
o'clock looking at the back of her head

1120
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:09,540
and I was hearing stuff moving on both

1121
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:12,720
sides of us and I didn't have The

1122
00:51:17,870 --> 00:51:15,359
Bravery to look over at all I mean I

1123
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:17,880
just I looked at the back of her head

1124
00:51:21,950 --> 00:51:20,880
and and we went in there maybe a hundred

1125
00:51:24,410 --> 00:51:21,960
yards

1126
00:51:27,710 --> 00:51:24,420
turned to the left with probably another

1127
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:27,720
30 yards into a clear-cut

1128
00:51:33,890 --> 00:51:31,440
I want to say maybe 10 to 15 yards

1129
00:51:36,170 --> 00:51:33,900
circular clear cut

1130
00:51:38,329 --> 00:51:36,180
and the the Moon

1131
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:38,339
shown through the Gap in the canopy

1132
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:40,559
right there that meeting place was lit

1133
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:42,720
with the two-thirds Moon a couple of

1134
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:45,200
chairs there she had some gifting stuff

1135
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:48,240
and I could hear stuff moving all around

1136
00:51:53,450 --> 00:51:51,359
us and I was right next to her you know

1137
00:51:56,089 --> 00:51:53,460
and I'm thinking man you know no

1138
00:51:57,890 --> 00:51:56,099
distance no distance at all she's her

1139
00:52:01,849 --> 00:51:57,900
friend their friend and I'm gonna be

1140
00:52:05,210 --> 00:52:01,859
right there you know and something I

1141
00:52:09,890 --> 00:52:05,220
would have never expected wouldn't I had

1142
00:52:12,349 --> 00:52:09,900
maybe heard of Mind speak but it was as

1143
00:52:15,170 --> 00:52:12,359
clear as I'm talking to you now people

1144
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:15,180
said was it English it's really hard to

1145
00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:19,200
describe it's an experienced based uh

1146
00:52:24,530 --> 00:52:21,599
thing you know it's hard to put into

1147
00:52:26,569 --> 00:52:24,540
words but I heard it clearly in my my

1148
00:52:29,450 --> 00:52:26,579
head now you gotta understand retired

1149
00:52:31,490 --> 00:52:29,460
law enforcement I had a 45 tucked away

1150
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:31,500
on me and nobody would ever seen it or

1151
00:52:38,809 --> 00:52:35,040
known it was there but in my head the

1152
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:38,819
words said why why are you carrying a

1153
00:52:43,130 --> 00:52:40,559
gun

1154
00:52:45,829 --> 00:52:43,140
and I'm looking around going Rick you're

1155
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:45,839
losing it you're hearing voices in your

1156
00:52:48,770 --> 00:52:48,000
head you know I mean I was freaking me

1157
00:52:52,329 --> 00:52:48,780
out

1158
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:52,339
and I just I I was I was becoming very

1159
00:52:59,089 --> 00:52:55,280
overwhelmed emotionally folks very

1160
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:59,099
profound strong and emotional and it was

1161
00:53:04,609 --> 00:53:01,440
it was really being hard for me to fully

1162
00:53:08,210 --> 00:53:04,619
digest this that voice turned the

1163
00:53:12,650 --> 00:53:08,220
emphasis up about 10 times more and said

1164
00:53:14,569 --> 00:53:12,660
why are you carrying a gun and on that

1165
00:53:17,390 --> 00:53:14,579
second questioning

1166
00:53:20,210 --> 00:53:17,400
I knew immediately they were talking to

1167
00:53:23,690 --> 00:53:20,220
me okay and they wanted to know they

1168
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:23,700
wanted an answer and I don't know how I

1169
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:26,160
knew how to answer them it could it be a

1170
00:53:33,530 --> 00:53:29,520
a primal instinct or ability we've had

1171
00:53:35,329 --> 00:53:33,540
in the past as tribal people the Scots

1172
00:53:36,950 --> 00:53:35,339
were very tried well you know all over

1173
00:53:40,130 --> 00:53:36,960
the world you know we we had family

1174
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:40,140
groups Clans and stuff we weren't so you

1175
00:53:47,210 --> 00:53:44,400
know civilized and I don't know how but

1176
00:53:49,849 --> 00:53:47,220
I knew how to answer them and I said uh

1177
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:49,859
it's a tool of protection

1178
00:53:55,790 --> 00:53:53,040
that I've carried on my job

1179
00:53:59,210 --> 00:53:55,800
I've carried it around my close friends

1180
00:54:01,670 --> 00:53:59,220
and family I've never hurt them with it

1181
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:01,680
and I will not hurt you now

1182
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:03,839
that's that was my answer and

1183
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:05,760
immediately the voice said step away

1184
00:54:09,890 --> 00:54:07,680
from Arla

1185
00:54:12,290 --> 00:54:09,900
oh

1186
00:54:16,250 --> 00:54:12,300
it's like you know like step away from

1187
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:16,260
the car you know or drop it I I I felt

1188
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:18,480
at that point something was going to

1189
00:54:24,290 --> 00:54:21,599
happen and and I so my mind speaking

1190
00:54:27,650 --> 00:54:24,300
about you must be crazy you know this

1191
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:27,660
woman's shirt exactly exactly it but

1192
00:54:31,970 --> 00:54:30,480
they said step away from Arla and I

1193
00:54:34,370 --> 00:54:31,980
looked over at her and I said they're

1194
00:54:37,609 --> 00:54:34,380
telling me to move away from you she

1195
00:54:40,430 --> 00:54:37,619
didn't act shocked or surprised she just

1196
00:54:42,829 --> 00:54:40,440
warmly smiled looking at me and said

1197
00:54:45,410 --> 00:54:42,839
well do what they're telling you to do

1198
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:45,420
you know I mean it it didn't concern her

1199
00:54:48,829 --> 00:54:46,559
at all

1200
00:54:51,290 --> 00:54:48,839
I want to say probably that was one of

1201
00:54:54,349 --> 00:54:51,300
the hardest things in my life to do I

1202
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:54,359
turned away from her and I walked back

1203
00:54:58,910 --> 00:54:57,119
to where that trail you know intersected

1204
00:55:01,970 --> 00:54:58,920
the main trail in

1205
00:55:04,250 --> 00:55:01,980
and I thought well if and I was doing

1206
00:55:07,309 --> 00:55:04,260
some praying under my breath too folks

1207
00:55:08,930 --> 00:55:07,319
uh I thought man if if they're gonna if

1208
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:08,940
they're gonna whack me it's gonna be

1209
00:55:11,870 --> 00:55:10,319
here because they're getting me away

1210
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:11,880
from their buddy you know they don't

1211
00:55:16,790 --> 00:55:14,640
they don't like me or whatever but I

1212
00:55:19,910 --> 00:55:16,800
look to my right the direction we came

1213
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:19,920
in and then I looked to my left further

1214
00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:22,319
down the trail in you know deeper into

1215
00:55:28,250 --> 00:55:26,160
the woods and it was like orchestrated

1216
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:28,260
Ed Sullivan way back there and I know

1217
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:30,240
I'm dating myself would step out from

1218
00:55:35,170 --> 00:55:32,880
behind the curtain into the spotlight

1219
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:35,180
you know at the beginning of his shows

1220
00:55:42,530 --> 00:55:39,119
this 12-foot alpha male he was a monster

1221
00:55:45,170 --> 00:55:42,540
he was 12 foot stepped out from behind

1222
00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:45,180
one of those big trees right into a beam

1223
00:55:49,490 --> 00:55:48,000
of moonlight that's shown right there it

1224
00:55:52,250 --> 00:55:49,500
was almost like it was orchestrated

1225
00:55:55,069 --> 00:55:52,260
stepped into the Moonlight I could see

1226
00:55:56,930 --> 00:55:55,079
him very clearly looking at me from

1227
00:55:59,450 --> 00:55:56,940
about 50 feet away

1228
00:56:02,630 --> 00:55:59,460
and he was doing this

1229
00:56:05,630 --> 00:56:02,640
he was doing this side sway

1230
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:05,640
I don't to this day I can't tell you I I

1231
00:56:10,670 --> 00:56:07,680
know what the significance is I don't

1232
00:56:12,530 --> 00:56:10,680
but Arla said can you see go ahead

1233
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:12,540
clearly it's something from a break

1234
00:56:17,089 --> 00:56:15,119
dance competition because yeah one

1235
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:17,099
person's on one side that's how you get

1236
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:19,920
started yeah yeah so maybe he was

1237
00:56:24,410 --> 00:56:21,599
wanting to dance I don't know but

1238
00:56:26,210 --> 00:56:24,420
probably Arla said can you see him I

1239
00:56:31,210 --> 00:56:26,220
said yeah he's down there on the trail

1240
00:56:34,250 --> 00:56:31,220
and he's swayed she said sway with him

1241
00:56:36,650 --> 00:56:34,260
so that's what that's that's what I did

1242
00:56:39,530 --> 00:56:36,660
I matched you know I matched his

1243
00:56:41,690 --> 00:56:39,540
movements back and forth and the moment

1244
00:56:44,690 --> 00:56:41,700
I matched that I could hear crackling

1245
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:44,700
and snapping right off the trail to my

1246
00:56:48,049 --> 00:56:45,599
right

1247
00:56:50,510 --> 00:56:48,059
and this subject comes up out of the

1248
00:56:54,010 --> 00:56:50,520
brush I don't remember looking up or

1249
00:56:56,510 --> 00:56:54,020
down he was around six foot but he was

1250
00:56:58,970 --> 00:56:56,520
broad-shouldered I'd say the the big

1251
00:57:01,609 --> 00:56:58,980
alpha male was ever been a 900 pounds

1252
00:57:05,809 --> 00:57:01,619
this subject had come out and he had a

1253
00:57:08,329 --> 00:57:05,819
defined muscle chest uh I'd say you know

1254
00:57:11,569 --> 00:57:08,339
three to four hundred pounds just super

1255
00:57:13,549 --> 00:57:11,579
he'd make a full back you know all pro

1256
00:57:16,670 --> 00:57:13,559
fullback and take on the whole football

1257
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:16,680
team you know but he he was looking at

1258
00:57:22,910 --> 00:57:19,680
me in his jaw

1259
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:22,920
dropped open his eyes widened and then

1260
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:25,440
he looked back at the big alpha male and

1261
00:57:29,690 --> 00:57:27,359
then he'd look back at me he'd look back

1262
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:29,700
at him and look back at me you know I

1263
00:57:33,410 --> 00:57:31,440
don't know if it was like Dad you know

1264
00:57:37,130 --> 00:57:33,420
which I think it was I think that was

1265
00:57:39,170 --> 00:57:37,140
Big Daddy but then on the trail not

1266
00:57:41,890 --> 00:57:39,180
coming up out of the brush a female

1267
00:57:43,849 --> 00:57:41,900
stepped into another beam of moonlight

1268
00:57:47,390 --> 00:57:43,859
obviously she didn't have the muscle

1269
00:57:50,270 --> 00:57:47,400
chest she had breasts even no doubt in

1270
00:57:52,490 --> 00:57:50,280
my mind she was female and both of them

1271
00:57:56,089 --> 00:57:52,500
were about six foot tall

1272
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:56,099
at that point it dawned on me as a

1273
00:57:59,809 --> 00:57:58,319
parent I wasn't a grandparent then but

1274
00:58:02,809 --> 00:57:59,819
as a parent

1275
00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:02,819
Big Daddy was allowing his young to get

1276
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:04,559
a good look at me

1277
00:58:11,870 --> 00:58:07,920
and I immediately as a parent recognized

1278
00:58:14,750 --> 00:58:11,880
that was a show of trust knowing I was

1279
00:58:17,809 --> 00:58:14,760
armed you know that they let their young

1280
00:58:21,470 --> 00:58:17,819
get up close to me in my apprehension

1281
00:58:24,770 --> 00:58:21,480
for a Time blew out the window I started

1282
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:24,780
laughing and it was a you know it was an

1283
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:26,880
experience well behind the young female

1284
00:58:32,510 --> 00:58:30,240
another subject not so much in the light

1285
00:58:35,089 --> 00:58:32,520
but about eight foot which I may think

1286
00:58:37,130 --> 00:58:35,099
were was mom don't know to this day

1287
00:58:39,109 --> 00:58:37,140
because I couldn't get a good look she

1288
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:39,119
was behind her they were behind the

1289
00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:41,280
young female on the trail

1290
00:58:46,430 --> 00:58:44,160
then the wild card came in that I wasn't

1291
00:58:49,130 --> 00:58:46,440
expecting you know it's very intense

1292
00:58:51,230 --> 00:58:49,140
when you're this close to them they were

1293
00:58:54,170 --> 00:58:51,240
allowing me to get a good look at them

1294
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:54,180
exactly like what I asked for the night

1295
00:58:59,210 --> 00:58:57,359
before and then down not where the

1296
00:59:01,849 --> 00:58:59,220
Moonlight could really hit I see this

1297
00:59:05,390 --> 00:59:01,859
movement in front of that young female

1298
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:05,400
standing there looking at me never smelt

1299
00:59:11,089 --> 00:59:07,680
a bad smell they were not aggressive

1300
00:59:13,490 --> 00:59:11,099
they held their position politely in my

1301
00:59:15,710 --> 00:59:13,500
opinion very politely letting me get a

1302
00:59:18,530 --> 00:59:15,720
good look I see this little head

1303
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:18,540
bobbling around uh toddler you know

1304
00:59:23,210 --> 00:59:20,640
about three foot in front of that young

1305
00:59:25,370 --> 00:59:23,220
female and all of a sudden I notice its

1306
00:59:28,490 --> 00:59:25,380
little head turns around it looks back

1307
00:59:32,030 --> 00:59:28,500
up at me and then starts coming at me

1308
00:59:35,809 --> 00:59:32,040
with its arms raised I like to have lost

1309
00:59:39,710 --> 00:59:35,819
it folks I mean I you know being close

1310
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:39,720
to these things is super intense but the

1311
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:41,760
thought of a little hairy one latching

1312
00:59:46,670 --> 00:59:44,640
on to you you know I I don't know to

1313
00:59:50,210 --> 00:59:46,680
this day what I would have done if that

1314
00:59:52,970 --> 00:59:50,220
child had got to me I'd have probably I

1315
00:59:55,250 --> 00:59:52,980
don't know I can't tell you my fear was

1316
00:59:56,510 --> 00:59:55,260
the little one doesn't know who I

1317
00:59:59,329 --> 00:59:56,520
actually am

1318
01:00:01,190 --> 00:59:59,339
and if it Cried Out In Fear I'd be

1319
01:00:03,710 --> 01:00:01,200
afraid Big Daddy would come tear me

1320
01:00:05,390 --> 01:00:03,720
apart you know just rip me apart that

1321
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:05,400
was a part I didn't know this little one

1322
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:07,680
don't know who I am but it was running

1323
01:00:11,690 --> 01:00:09,839
at me wanting me to pick it up just like

1324
01:00:15,950 --> 01:00:11,700
a toddler would do you know toddling

1325
01:00:19,549 --> 01:00:15,960
towards me quickly and fortunately that

1326
01:00:21,410 --> 01:00:19,559
young female lungs forward and got got

1327
01:00:24,349 --> 01:00:21,420
the the little one by you know up under

1328
01:00:26,270 --> 01:00:24,359
one arm and pulled her back to her at

1329
01:00:28,270 --> 01:00:26,280
that point I looked it over at Arlen I

1330
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:28,280
said let's go I'm through

1331
01:00:34,130 --> 01:00:30,960
you know don't let the little one get me

1332
01:00:38,450 --> 01:00:34,140
I mean I just that was the wild you know

1333
01:00:42,349 --> 01:00:38,460
horse in it and uh as we were leaving

1334
01:00:45,289 --> 01:00:42,359
uh I saw that big alpha male [\h__\h] his

1335
01:00:48,530 --> 01:00:45,299
head back and start giving the best

1336
01:00:51,530 --> 01:00:48,540
barred owl calls you've ever heard I

1337
01:00:53,569 --> 01:00:51,540
mean it was authentic except it sounded

1338
01:00:56,329 --> 01:00:53,579
like they were coming out of four JBL

1339
01:01:00,049 --> 01:00:56,339
woofers I mean it was the resonance

1340
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:00,059
shook the forest and I sent you that

1341
01:01:04,990 --> 01:01:03,839
that video uh David uh that has the the

1342
01:01:08,030 --> 01:01:05,000
alcohol

1343
01:01:11,089 --> 01:01:08,040
the recording doesn't do it justice but

1344
01:01:14,030 --> 01:01:11,099
if you compare uh those last two calls

1345
01:01:15,890 --> 01:01:14,040
from that other uh researcher they did a

1346
01:01:17,990 --> 01:01:15,900
pretty good barred alcohol they're not

1347
01:01:20,569 --> 01:01:18,000
even close to what what the other the

1348
01:01:23,450 --> 01:01:20,579
other calls there's a big difference in

1349
01:01:25,970 --> 01:01:23,460
them and uh I've seen them do that I've

1350
01:01:27,530 --> 01:01:25,980
heard them before uh give out about

1351
01:01:29,930 --> 01:01:27,540
barred alcohol I've been with people

1352
01:01:31,329 --> 01:01:29,940
that's just a barred alcohol I sit on

1353
01:01:34,010 --> 01:01:31,339
the ground

1354
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:34,020
right right up the trail right there

1355
01:01:38,390 --> 01:01:36,240
they land on the trail and start no

1356
01:01:40,549 --> 01:01:38,400
they're eight pound bird up in the top

1357
01:01:42,829 --> 01:01:40,559
of the trees they don't the only time

1358
01:01:44,569 --> 01:01:42,839
they go to the ground is to you know get

1359
01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:44,579
prey they're not going to sit there and

1360
01:01:49,730 --> 01:01:47,040
call from the ground you know I said

1361
01:01:52,309 --> 01:01:49,740
you're not go ahead we're not supposed

1362
01:01:53,809 --> 01:01:52,319
to see this stuff so you know people are

1363
01:01:56,390 --> 01:01:53,819
going to try to punch holes in yourself

1364
01:01:58,910 --> 01:01:56,400
oh yeah but one of the things and what I

1365
01:02:01,069 --> 01:01:58,920
want to do now is I want to I want to

1366
01:02:03,710 --> 01:02:01,079
take about the next 30 minutes and I

1367
01:02:07,549 --> 01:02:03,720
want to get questions from the guys and

1368
01:02:10,010 --> 01:02:07,559
gals here to you and and uh and and you

1369
01:02:11,930 --> 01:02:10,020
know Matt chime in with with whatever uh

1370
01:02:12,950 --> 01:02:11,940
you know part of it that that resonates

1371
01:02:15,710 --> 01:02:12,960
with you

1372
01:02:18,109 --> 01:02:15,720
and you know I've learned this from the

1373
01:02:20,990 --> 01:02:18,119
the UFO community and I think it's going

1374
01:02:22,690 --> 01:02:21,000
to serve me very well now that I'm also

1375
01:02:24,589 --> 01:02:22,700
probably part of the Bigfoot Community

1376
01:02:27,170 --> 01:02:24,599
is that

1377
01:02:29,809 --> 01:02:27,180
um I don't have to prove anything to to

1378
01:02:31,670 --> 01:02:29,819
you out there who's doubting what I say

1379
01:02:33,710 --> 01:02:31,680
or thinking I'm full of crap or telling

1380
01:02:35,930 --> 01:02:33,720
me I have to bring back video or photos

1381
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:35,940
I'm saying no I don't I don't have to

1382
01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:38,400
bring you anything I don't care what you

1383
01:02:42,829 --> 01:02:40,799
think or if you believe it I want to go

1384
01:02:45,109 --> 01:02:42,839
out and have an experience and research

1385
01:02:47,990 --> 01:02:45,119
it for myself

1386
01:02:50,270 --> 01:02:48,000
and and it serves me well because then

1387
01:02:51,770 --> 01:02:50,280
nobody in the UFO Community thinks oh

1388
01:02:53,569 --> 01:02:51,780
you can't prove I don't have to prove it

1389
01:02:55,430 --> 01:02:53,579
I don't have to prove anything to you

1390
01:02:57,710 --> 01:02:55,440
nor do I have to prove anything to the

1391
01:02:59,930 --> 01:02:57,720
Bigfoot community and with that I want

1392
01:03:01,849 --> 01:02:59,940
to pass it to Nathan and then we'll go

1393
01:03:04,309 --> 01:03:01,859
to Debs and Matt and let's start firing

1394
01:03:08,990 --> 01:03:04,319
away some questions at these Bigfoot

1395
01:03:10,730 --> 01:03:09,000
experts in my opinion Rick uh you're so

1396
01:03:12,470 --> 01:03:10,740
gracious to share your story with us and

1397
01:03:14,930 --> 01:03:12,480
it's a it's an incredibly compelling

1398
01:03:18,950 --> 01:03:14,940
story uh and one thing that comes to

1399
01:03:21,049 --> 01:03:18,960
mind for me just hearing it is the the

1400
01:03:23,569 --> 01:03:21,059
way it's obviously impacted your life

1401
01:03:25,010 --> 01:03:23,579
and it shifted your understanding of of

1402
01:03:26,450 --> 01:03:25,020
reality and I wonder if you could talk a

1403
01:03:30,470 --> 01:03:26,460
little bit more about that so what kind

1404
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:30,480
of person were you before this encounter

1405
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:32,160
and and what do you what kind of person

1406
01:03:35,870 --> 01:03:33,599
are you now how does it change your

1407
01:03:37,849 --> 01:03:35,880
outlook on the world and your

1408
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:37,859
relationships with people and nature I

1409
01:03:43,730 --> 01:03:39,359
want you to get a little philosophical

1410
01:03:46,370 --> 01:03:43,740
on us here I was a an Outdoorsman I have

1411
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:46,380
been all my life uh

1412
01:03:51,170 --> 01:03:48,960
I probably had the opinion if anything

1413
01:03:53,630 --> 01:03:51,180
was out there I should have seen it you

1414
01:03:55,010 --> 01:03:53,640
know before I had my you know

1415
01:03:58,609 --> 01:03:55,020
experiences

1416
01:04:02,690 --> 01:03:58,619
but these these subjects are extremely

1417
01:04:04,630 --> 01:04:02,700
uh elusive they use cover and

1418
01:04:08,210 --> 01:04:04,640
concealment to Perfection

1419
01:04:10,430 --> 01:04:08,220
uh brief side Peaks and then you won't

1420
01:04:12,250 --> 01:04:10,440
see them if you didn't know where to

1421
01:04:15,349 --> 01:04:12,260
look you wouldn't see them but

1422
01:04:17,930 --> 01:04:15,359
what it's opened up is I thought I I

1423
01:04:19,309 --> 01:04:17,940
thought I knew everything that dwelt out

1424
01:04:19,970 --> 01:04:19,319
in the woods

1425
01:04:24,650 --> 01:04:19,980
um

1426
01:04:28,250 --> 01:04:24,660
but over the last going on well 20 years

1427
01:04:31,150 --> 01:04:28,260
uh or more I've I've found out I don't

1428
01:04:35,870 --> 01:04:31,160
know everything that dwells out there

1429
01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:35,880
and I'm very careful about adding other

1430
01:04:40,069 --> 01:04:38,160
things that I've seen and document out

1431
01:04:42,890 --> 01:04:40,079
there that aren't Bigfoot you know that

1432
01:04:44,450 --> 01:04:42,900
I I won't go into here I won't broaden

1433
01:04:47,569 --> 01:04:44,460
it to that but

1434
01:04:49,450 --> 01:04:47,579
I've reached a point where absolutely

1435
01:04:52,970 --> 01:04:49,460
nothing

1436
01:04:56,270 --> 01:04:52,980
surprises me I mean no matter how

1437
01:04:58,490 --> 01:04:56,280
incredible uh people's stories are now

1438
01:04:59,569 --> 01:04:58,500
my older brother who passed away from

1439
01:05:03,049 --> 01:04:59,579
cancer

1440
01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:03,059
uh I sat down with him

1441
01:05:07,130 --> 01:05:05,760
and he went over a very detailed

1442
01:05:09,770 --> 01:05:07,140
abduction

1443
01:05:12,710 --> 01:05:09,780
where he was messing with a strobe light

1444
01:05:14,569 --> 01:05:12,720
on some lights in the sky and they

1445
01:05:16,490 --> 01:05:14,579
followed him back to his house up in

1446
01:05:20,210 --> 01:05:16,500
Oregon northern Oregon

1447
01:05:22,670 --> 01:05:20,220
and he was actually abducted and it

1448
01:05:24,770 --> 01:05:22,680
would be an incredible story for anybody

1449
01:05:28,849 --> 01:05:24,780
to believe but it was coming from my

1450
01:05:31,730 --> 01:05:28,859
brother who I knew very well you know

1451
01:05:35,150 --> 01:05:31,740
um I have documented

1452
01:05:36,890 --> 01:05:35,160
I guess people would call them Grace you

1453
01:05:40,430 --> 01:05:36,900
know the little little bubble-headed

1454
01:05:43,069 --> 01:05:40,440
little arm big eye things in my Bigfoot

1455
01:05:44,390 --> 01:05:43,079
research that I don't share with a lot

1456
01:05:47,450 --> 01:05:44,400
of people because they're going oh

1457
01:05:50,569 --> 01:05:47,460
brother you got Bigfoot now you're doing

1458
01:05:52,549 --> 01:05:50,579
you know you're adding the whole but I'm

1459
01:05:54,109 --> 01:05:52,559
telling you I've documented I don't know

1460
01:05:56,990 --> 01:05:54,119
what they are I don't know what their

1461
01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:57,000
intentions are but the bottom line is

1462
01:06:03,230 --> 01:06:00,240
this I'm I'm very cautious when I go out

1463
01:06:05,329 --> 01:06:03,240
there it's not Disneyland you know what

1464
01:06:07,670 --> 01:06:05,339
injured and killed settlers a hundred

1465
01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:07,680
years ago in the woods is still out

1466
01:06:13,190 --> 01:06:10,559
there and people have to understand that

1467
01:06:16,010 --> 01:06:13,200
it's not sterile out there there are

1468
01:06:18,530 --> 01:06:16,020
things that can and will hurt you if

1469
01:06:20,930 --> 01:06:18,540
you're careless or not observe it so

1470
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:20,940
probably my biggest thing is sharing my

1471
01:06:26,329 --> 01:06:23,520
Bigfoot information but also look folks

1472
01:06:28,730 --> 01:06:26,339
be safe out there you know travel in

1473
01:06:30,470 --> 01:06:28,740
pairs or at least somebody let somebody

1474
01:06:33,529 --> 01:06:30,480
know where you're going to be now I've

1475
01:06:36,650 --> 01:06:33,539
done you know in individual stuff and

1476
01:06:39,049 --> 01:06:36,660
and some strange things happen to me uh

1477
01:06:41,990 --> 01:06:39,059
that I don't have time to go here but

1478
01:06:44,690 --> 01:06:42,000
I'm very observant and and I'm a bit

1479
01:06:47,750 --> 01:06:44,700
cautious about uh going out by myself

1480
01:06:50,329 --> 01:06:47,760
now if that makes sense no it does thank

1481
01:06:52,789 --> 01:06:50,339
you so much absolutely not happening

1482
01:06:55,250 --> 01:06:52,799
going out in the woods by myself anymore

1483
01:06:56,930 --> 01:06:55,260
that was for my teenage years uh but

1484
01:06:59,270 --> 01:06:56,940
yeah and just think of it this way Rick

1485
01:07:01,609 --> 01:06:59,280
we will do you know we'll do a part two

1486
01:07:03,950 --> 01:07:01,619
with you but want to be able to get what

1487
01:07:06,170 --> 01:07:03,960
what you told us so far so rich there's

1488
01:07:08,150 --> 01:07:06,180
quite a bit there so let's get Debs and

1489
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:08,160
then we'll get Matt in there please yeah

1490
01:07:11,690 --> 01:07:09,839
I just have to say I'm so jealous about

1491
01:07:12,970 --> 01:07:11,700
the toddler I would have cuddled the

1492
01:07:16,789 --> 01:07:12,980
toddler

1493
01:07:18,170 --> 01:07:16,799
come here I know I would have and I

1494
01:07:18,740 --> 01:07:18,180
would have been like you're gonna be

1495
01:07:21,289 --> 01:07:18,750
okay

1496
01:07:23,870 --> 01:07:21,299
[Laughter]

1497
01:07:27,349 --> 01:07:23,880
um anywho so I think that one of my

1498
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:27,359
questions is why it the Bigfoot are

1499
01:07:31,910 --> 01:07:29,520
attracted to certain people and their

1500
01:07:34,130 --> 01:07:31,920
property and then stay there when they

1501
01:07:36,890 --> 01:07:34,140
perform that attachment

1502
01:07:40,010 --> 01:07:36,900
um like Arla and other people that we've

1503
01:07:42,109 --> 01:07:40,020
spoken to like Robin why do they attach

1504
01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:42,119
to them why do they

1505
01:07:47,210 --> 01:07:43,920
um basically

1506
01:07:50,510 --> 01:07:47,220
like Caravan around that property from

1507
01:07:53,990 --> 01:07:50,520
then on they're they're very curious

1508
01:07:56,589 --> 01:07:54,000
okay and they have intellect and

1509
01:08:00,829 --> 01:07:56,599
cognitive thinking uh

1510
01:08:03,529 --> 01:08:00,839
respect goes a long long way

1511
01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:03,539
and and good intentions if you're there

1512
01:08:08,390 --> 01:08:05,760
to to Market them

1513
01:08:12,589 --> 01:08:08,400
uh to you know

1514
01:08:13,609 --> 01:08:12,599
uh share and and and everything they

1515
01:08:16,430 --> 01:08:13,619
know

1516
01:08:19,430 --> 01:08:16,440
from from my somebody said once you're

1517
01:08:21,950 --> 01:08:19,440
marked by them they'll all know you okay

1518
01:08:24,530 --> 01:08:21,960
I I'm I don't know about that but I know

1519
01:08:28,970 --> 01:08:24,540
I've been had success in Texas Oklahoma

1520
01:08:30,590 --> 01:08:28,980
Wisconsin Georgia uh

1521
01:08:32,570 --> 01:08:30,600
Montana

1522
01:08:36,530 --> 01:08:32,580
where where they've gone out of their

1523
01:08:39,349 --> 01:08:36,540
way and Kentucky oh I love Kentucky uh

1524
01:08:42,410 --> 01:08:39,359
gone out of the way you know gone out of

1525
01:08:44,390 --> 01:08:42,420
their way to make contact with me and

1526
01:08:47,390 --> 01:08:44,400
one of their favorites is look folks

1527
01:08:49,070 --> 01:08:47,400
when I get finished watching at night I

1528
01:08:51,470 --> 01:08:49,080
get in a camper shell because I don't

1529
01:08:53,930 --> 01:08:51,480
want to be pushed through the tent and

1530
01:08:56,510 --> 01:08:53,940
woke up by a big hairy guy I want I want

1531
01:08:59,150 --> 01:08:56,520
a little you know a little security and

1532
01:09:00,829 --> 01:08:59,160
and separation but the last time I was

1533
01:09:03,769 --> 01:09:00,839
in Kentucky here three weeks ago they

1534
01:09:06,289 --> 01:09:03,779
were tapping on my truck you know tap

1535
01:09:08,809 --> 01:09:06,299
tap tap tap tap tap tap tap and I think

1536
01:09:12,050 --> 01:09:08,819
they were younger ones just wanting to

1537
01:09:14,329 --> 01:09:12,060
to interact banter with you uh they're

1538
01:09:17,269 --> 01:09:14,339
interested in you they like to interact

1539
01:09:20,329 --> 01:09:17,279
with you and I think fear is one of the

1540
01:09:22,729 --> 01:09:20,339
biggest things uh that people encounter

1541
01:09:26,390 --> 01:09:22,739
and it's hard I understand I know why I

1542
01:09:28,669 --> 01:09:26,400
felt that first time but uh I was up

1543
01:09:31,970 --> 01:09:28,679
there with uh Charlie Raymond and his

1544
01:09:35,450 --> 01:09:31,980
lovely wife Lindsay with the KB Ro here

1545
01:09:38,329 --> 01:09:35,460
three weeks ago great person great

1546
01:09:40,249 --> 01:09:38,339
venues if you ever get a chance they're

1547
01:09:43,669 --> 01:09:40,259
they're top shelf they're entertaining

1548
01:09:47,150 --> 01:09:43,679
good people attend uh Charlie saw I

1549
01:09:48,890 --> 01:09:47,160
shine on a trail layer and I I got off

1550
01:09:51,229 --> 01:09:48,900
the eye you know off the trail towards

1551
01:09:53,390 --> 01:09:51,239
the eye shine and saw side Beaker I was

1552
01:09:55,790 --> 01:09:53,400
watching them in my thermal and I said

1553
01:09:58,250 --> 01:09:55,800
Lindsay I said come up here and I've got

1554
01:10:00,890 --> 01:09:58,260
it all on audio too with my matching uh

1555
01:10:02,990 --> 01:10:00,900
thermal and she comes up and I said you

1556
01:10:04,970 --> 01:10:03,000
got your flare she said yeah I said told

1557
01:10:07,430 --> 01:10:04,980
her where to look I said do you see him

1558
01:10:09,709 --> 01:10:07,440
she goes yeah yeah peeking out from

1559
01:10:11,689 --> 01:10:09,719
around the tree right there said yep I

1560
01:10:14,030 --> 01:10:11,699
said you stay there and I'll get closer

1561
01:10:16,669 --> 01:10:14,040
and which I did but I had to look down

1562
01:10:19,610 --> 01:10:16,679
with my thermal and I said okay now let

1563
01:10:21,250 --> 01:10:19,620
me watch them and you get closer well

1564
01:10:24,290 --> 01:10:21,260
that didn't happen

1565
01:10:25,910 --> 01:10:24,300
Lindsay did not want to let did one you

1566
01:10:28,610 --> 01:10:25,920
know and I didn't make a big issue of it

1567
01:10:31,550 --> 01:10:28,620
but I can understand people they're a

1568
01:10:34,850 --> 01:10:31,560
little overwhelmed with me uh I've never

1569
01:10:37,729 --> 01:10:34,860
felt threatened yet uh really haven't uh

1570
01:10:40,970 --> 01:10:37,739
I've had a blast folks uh I've been out

1571
01:10:44,990 --> 01:10:40,980
with I've been out with newbies and uh I

1572
01:10:48,770 --> 01:10:45,000
was in Kentucky uh uh two years ago with

1573
01:10:50,330 --> 01:10:48,780
Charlie again and uh uh we were way out

1574
01:10:53,209 --> 01:10:50,340
in the middle of nowhere

1575
01:10:56,149 --> 01:10:53,219
and I got the feeling of being watched

1576
01:10:58,370 --> 01:10:56,159
and I can kind of I don't know what I

1577
01:11:00,770 --> 01:10:58,380
don't why but I I know where to look I

1578
01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:00,780
can feel them okay does that make sense

1579
01:11:06,709 --> 01:11:03,840
I know something's over there you know

1580
01:11:08,570 --> 01:11:06,719
and I got up and I walked over there by

1581
01:11:10,430 --> 01:11:08,580
this uh there was about a hundred yard

1582
01:11:12,770 --> 01:11:10,440
field to the river and then there was a

1583
01:11:15,110 --> 01:11:12,780
little side Creek to the to our East to

1584
01:11:16,669 --> 01:11:15,120
our right and I'm standing there for a

1585
01:11:18,290 --> 01:11:16,679
while and there was about a half dozen

1586
01:11:20,689 --> 01:11:18,300
people around the campfire and one of

1587
01:11:22,430 --> 01:11:20,699
the newbies got up could barely see me

1588
01:11:24,050 --> 01:11:22,440
you know but the fire you know I had

1589
01:11:26,209 --> 01:11:24,060
enough light clothes he knew where I was

1590
01:11:27,590 --> 01:11:26,219
he walked over there he said Rick what

1591
01:11:30,950 --> 01:11:27,600
are you doing I said I'm watching the

1592
01:11:32,270 --> 01:11:30,960
big guy because really I said yeah he's

1593
01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:32,280
down there in the trees now you

1594
01:11:36,110 --> 01:11:34,320
understand there was a lot of leaves and

1595
01:11:38,810 --> 01:11:36,120
branches so that horizontal figure

1596
01:11:40,790 --> 01:11:38,820
wasn't a clear Bigfoot shape but I could

1597
01:11:43,250 --> 01:11:40,800
see it was horizontal and moving around

1598
01:11:44,990 --> 01:11:43,260
down down in the brush and occasionally

1599
01:11:47,390 --> 01:11:45,000
I could see the shoulders and the head

1600
01:11:48,890 --> 01:11:47,400
uh could it have been an NBA basketball

1601
01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:48,900
player out there in the middle of

1602
01:11:52,910 --> 01:11:50,880
nowhere without without clothes on

1603
01:11:55,610 --> 01:11:52,920
without a flashlight sure it wasn't

1604
01:11:58,669 --> 01:11:55,620
impossible but was it likely I don't

1605
01:12:00,770 --> 01:11:58,679
think so you know so I told him where to

1606
01:12:03,229 --> 01:12:00,780
look I handed him my flare scope I said

1607
01:12:05,510 --> 01:12:03,239
hey he's down there look and I do I go

1608
01:12:06,890 --> 01:12:05,520
do you see him and he goes yeah yeah I

1609
01:12:10,370 --> 01:12:06,900
can see his head and shoulders he's

1610
01:12:12,850 --> 01:12:10,380
peeking around a tree folks that made my

1611
01:12:16,370 --> 01:12:12,860
night that made my trip

1612
01:12:19,010 --> 01:12:16,380
showing a newbie they exist and letting

1613
01:12:21,530 --> 01:12:19,020
them have that empirical knowledge David

1614
01:12:23,870 --> 01:12:21,540
of seeing it for themselves that's

1615
01:12:25,970 --> 01:12:23,880
awesome nothing like it it's great so

1616
01:12:29,149 --> 01:12:25,980
that made my day and he still talks

1617
01:12:30,890 --> 01:12:29,159
about that but why do we were go ahead

1618
01:12:32,470 --> 01:12:30,900
and be planning my trip out with you so

1619
01:12:35,810 --> 01:12:32,480
that I can

1620
01:12:38,149 --> 01:12:35,820
I can be that newbie but well yeah we've

1621
01:12:39,770 --> 01:12:38,159
got we've got about a little over 15

1622
01:12:41,689 --> 01:12:39,780
minutes left so I want to get Matt in

1623
01:12:43,250 --> 01:12:41,699
there I want to get some more some more

1624
01:12:45,830 --> 01:12:43,260
because I have questions for you so we

1625
01:12:47,689 --> 01:12:45,840
got it we got questions brother go ahead

1626
01:12:49,850 --> 01:12:47,699
oh let's do what you think you're on

1627
01:12:52,669 --> 01:12:49,860
semi-auto and you're gonna be yeah got

1628
01:12:54,590 --> 01:12:52,679
it all right short first short burst

1629
01:12:58,070 --> 01:12:54,600
that's that's it

1630
01:13:00,490 --> 01:12:58,080
the Mind speak stuff uh I I have to use

1631
01:13:02,390 --> 01:13:00,500
my time wisely

1632
01:13:04,850 --> 01:13:02,400
was that the only time you've

1633
01:13:08,330 --> 01:13:04,860
experienced that no no I was out with

1634
01:13:11,330 --> 01:13:08,340
the BFRO group uh they were doing some

1635
01:13:14,209 --> 01:13:11,340
wood knocking stuff I was just observing

1636
01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:14,219
and and the voice came to me

1637
01:13:20,390 --> 01:13:18,480
I have young with me and I do not know

1638
01:13:21,189 --> 01:13:20,400
who these people are

1639
01:13:24,370 --> 01:13:21,199
yeah

1640
01:13:27,050 --> 01:13:24,380
it was a female that had young with her

1641
01:13:29,090 --> 01:13:27,060
and you could hear some movements she

1642
01:13:31,430 --> 01:13:29,100
wasn't at all wanting to interact with

1643
01:13:34,850 --> 01:13:31,440
this group not at all so whenever you

1644
01:13:36,530 --> 01:13:34,860
experience that is it the same voice

1645
01:13:40,390 --> 01:13:36,540
that you're hearing

1646
01:13:44,689 --> 01:13:40,400
it's the same oh man

1647
01:13:48,410 --> 01:13:44,699
uh not you tone and stuff no it's okay

1648
01:13:51,709 --> 01:13:48,420
it it is hard to put into words it's

1649
01:13:54,890 --> 01:13:51,719
very clear but and it's just as clear as

1650
01:13:58,250 --> 01:13:54,900
what I'm talking here but it's more in a

1651
01:14:01,490 --> 01:13:58,260
uh not a random thought it's hard it's

1652
01:14:04,689 --> 01:14:01,500
hard to explain yes it's very distinct

1653
01:14:07,850 --> 01:14:04,699
and and very similar each time you know

1654
01:14:09,590 --> 01:14:07,860
go ahead previously in your life had you

1655
01:14:11,930 --> 01:14:09,600
ever experienced any

1656
01:14:16,550 --> 01:14:11,940
psychic abilities or anything like that

1657
01:14:19,130 --> 01:14:16,560
the closest thing to that very similar I

1658
01:14:21,110 --> 01:14:19,140
was cave diving a buddy of mine got

1659
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:21,120
trapped he could not get out of the cave

1660
01:14:26,930 --> 01:14:24,719
area I eventually had to leave him and

1661
01:14:28,370 --> 01:14:26,940
go for help he he didn't make it he

1662
01:14:30,169 --> 01:14:28,380
drowned

1663
01:14:31,990 --> 01:14:30,179
um it's called Jacob's Well I don't know

1664
01:14:36,470 --> 01:14:32,000
if you've heard any stories about it

1665
01:14:38,810 --> 01:14:36,480
Wimberley uh and as I was coming out I

1666
01:14:40,970 --> 01:14:38,820
got trapped I got lost we didn't have

1667
01:14:44,270 --> 01:14:40,980
guide ropes I went down the I went up

1668
01:14:45,950 --> 01:14:44,280
the false chimney uh a presence was

1669
01:14:50,209 --> 01:14:45,960
chasing me as the best way I can

1670
01:14:52,669 --> 01:14:50,219
describe it and when I hit that dead end

1671
01:14:54,950 --> 01:14:52,679
um the work the the words very similar

1672
01:14:57,830 --> 01:14:54,960
to what I've heard from these Bigfoot

1673
01:14:59,510 --> 01:14:57,840
experiences said I've got your buddy and

1674
01:15:03,050 --> 01:14:59,520
now I'm Gonna Get You

1675
01:15:04,850 --> 01:15:03,060
and and very similar was it a spirit of

1676
01:15:07,370 --> 01:15:04,860
the well I don't know you know was it

1677
01:15:11,149 --> 01:15:07,380
death talking to me I don't know that

1678
01:15:13,790 --> 01:15:11,159
either but uh fortunately

1679
01:15:15,770 --> 01:15:13,800
uh I I well I answered you know yeah I

1680
01:15:17,990 --> 01:15:15,780
guess I did I answered within my inner

1681
01:15:21,110 --> 01:15:18,000
being no not until all the Energy's gone

1682
01:15:24,350 --> 01:15:21,120
you're not getting me that easy no you

1683
01:15:25,669 --> 01:15:24,360
know and vertigo was set in I exhaled

1684
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:25,679
bubbles I went the opposite direction

1685
01:15:32,270 --> 01:15:29,760
got in the main shaft and uh there I I

1686
01:15:35,630 --> 01:15:32,280
knew I had to get out and I just said

1687
01:15:37,669 --> 01:15:35,640
Jesus help me I said it three times and

1688
01:15:40,250 --> 01:15:37,679
on the third Jesus helped me I felt a

1689
01:15:42,169 --> 01:15:40,260
guide rope get in them it wasn't my guy

1690
01:15:45,050 --> 01:15:42,179
drove somebody else had put a guy broke

1691
01:15:48,050 --> 01:15:45,060
in here call it coincidence no I I don't

1692
01:15:51,530 --> 01:15:48,060
think so I I I consider myself a

1693
01:15:54,229 --> 01:15:51,540
spiritual man but not a religious man I

1694
01:15:57,830 --> 01:15:54,239
do not like religion it judges it puts

1695
01:16:01,790 --> 01:15:57,840
people down it's it's it's it's not what

1696
01:16:02,830 --> 01:16:01,800
the the Creator intended but uh yeah you

1697
01:16:06,350 --> 01:16:02,840
know

1698
01:16:08,630 --> 01:16:06,360
Nathan has a masters in in religion and

1699
01:16:10,070 --> 01:16:08,640
has done a deep dive and gone on a

1700
01:16:12,470 --> 01:16:10,080
roller coaster so I'm sure it's that's

1701
01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:12,480
why he's nodding his head right now uh

1702
01:16:17,270 --> 01:16:13,920
what you're saying I can relate to that

1703
01:16:19,070 --> 01:16:17,280
yeah I I want to uh ask Matt a question

1704
01:16:22,010 --> 01:16:19,080
then I have a question for Rick and then

1705
01:16:24,950 --> 01:16:22,020
I'm going to pass it to Nathan Matt

1706
01:16:26,570 --> 01:16:24,960
um because you've also spent you know a

1707
01:16:28,729 --> 01:16:26,580
couple of decades out there in the woods

1708
01:16:32,330 --> 01:16:28,739
with with the big guys as Rick

1709
01:16:34,189 --> 01:16:32,340
affectionately calls them uh the the did

1710
01:16:37,490 --> 01:16:34,199
the eyes emit light in in your

1711
01:16:39,610 --> 01:16:37,500
estimation from what you've seen

1712
01:16:43,850 --> 01:16:39,620
oh man

1713
01:16:50,770 --> 01:16:47,149
my answer is no however

1714
01:16:53,870 --> 01:16:50,780
I have heard from very reliable people

1715
01:16:55,630 --> 01:16:53,880
that they have witnessed it

1716
01:16:58,910 --> 01:16:55,640
now I wasn't there

1717
01:17:02,209 --> 01:16:58,920
and my analytical Minds like okay well

1718
01:17:04,610 --> 01:17:02,219
if you can see at night there is a light

1719
01:17:07,310 --> 01:17:04,620
source somewhere it may not be it may

1720
01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:07,320
might be Starlight it you know it might

1721
01:17:12,229 --> 01:17:09,840
be Moonlight who knows ambient light

1722
01:17:13,729 --> 01:17:12,239
from a nearby town but there's light

1723
01:17:17,270 --> 01:17:13,739
otherwise you would not be able to see

1724
01:17:19,850 --> 01:17:17,280
anything right so to say that well there

1725
01:17:22,430 --> 01:17:19,860
was no light source to be reflected back

1726
01:17:24,890 --> 01:17:22,440
I mean I don't know but I've actually

1727
01:17:26,950 --> 01:17:24,900
heard people say that no this was

1728
01:17:30,830 --> 01:17:26,960
different I never believed in it before

1729
01:17:33,709 --> 01:17:30,840
but these eyes were actually glowing now

1730
01:17:35,750 --> 01:17:33,719
that starts you know bringing in all the

1731
01:17:38,330 --> 01:17:35,760
questions okay well if you're if the

1732
01:17:40,490 --> 01:17:38,340
eyes can produce light

1733
01:17:43,189 --> 01:17:40,500
how does it keep from blinding them how

1734
01:17:45,470 --> 01:17:43,199
do how are they able to see through eyes

1735
01:17:47,390 --> 01:17:45,480
that are producing light it should you

1736
01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:47,400
know flood out the eyeball and they

1737
01:17:51,410 --> 01:17:49,920
wouldn't be able to see so I mean that

1738
01:17:53,030 --> 01:17:51,420
just starts going into those whole gray

1739
01:17:55,370 --> 01:17:53,040
areas where you start getting in the

1740
01:17:57,370 --> 01:17:55,380
Paranormal more questions than answers

1741
01:18:00,470 --> 01:17:57,380
uh just like with the Mind speak stuff

1742
01:18:02,090 --> 01:18:00,480
if you can talk telepathically why are

1743
01:18:04,250 --> 01:18:02,100
you out there yelling and shouting and

1744
01:18:07,250 --> 01:18:04,260
screaming and doing barred owl calls and

1745
01:18:08,689 --> 01:18:07,260
talking and you know ancient dial it you

1746
01:18:13,550 --> 01:18:08,699
don't need to talk you can just use your

1747
01:18:15,169 --> 01:18:13,560
mind so why do it I nobody knows uh I

1748
01:18:17,689 --> 01:18:15,179
don't know if everyone can receive just

1749
01:18:20,149 --> 01:18:17,699
like you know I watched 28 days haunted

1750
01:18:22,010 --> 01:18:20,159
and I have these brilliant very

1751
01:18:24,110 --> 01:18:22,020
courageous mediums that are interacting

1752
01:18:25,669 --> 01:18:24,120
with these trying to drive these Spirits

1753
01:18:26,870 --> 01:18:25,679
out of the houses I don't know that

1754
01:18:29,149 --> 01:18:26,880
everybody

1755
01:18:31,550 --> 01:18:29,159
has either has the ability or has

1756
01:18:33,050 --> 01:18:31,560
cultivated the ability to do that and I

1757
01:18:35,990 --> 01:18:33,060
would think the same for bigfoot I think

1758
01:18:37,430 --> 01:18:36,000
that perhaps uh some people can hear

1759
01:18:39,649 --> 01:18:37,440
that mind speak and then there's other

1760
01:18:40,970 --> 01:18:39,659
Meatheads out there that like me in the

1761
01:18:43,970 --> 01:18:40,980
woods and I'm not going to hear a thing

1762
01:18:45,709 --> 01:18:43,980
so I don't you know it might be a range

1763
01:18:47,689 --> 01:18:45,719
thing you know I mean yeah it could be

1764
01:18:49,370 --> 01:18:47,699
it can only reach out so far and if

1765
01:18:50,990 --> 01:18:49,380
you're trying to communicate to the

1766
01:18:53,870 --> 01:18:51,000
entire group that's spread out over the

1767
01:18:56,149 --> 01:18:53,880
course of a mile or so at a time maybe

1768
01:18:58,189 --> 01:18:56,159
the Mind speak thing doesn't work I I

1769
01:19:00,410 --> 01:18:58,199
don't know yeah it could be this

1770
01:19:03,050 --> 01:19:00,420
question it could be a distance thing

1771
01:19:04,850 --> 01:19:03,060
yeah is it a just yeah it could be a

1772
01:19:06,830 --> 01:19:04,860
distance thing close proximity but

1773
01:19:08,990 --> 01:19:06,840
further away they can't do that you know

1774
01:19:10,070 --> 01:19:09,000
the knocks in the House serve their

1775
01:19:11,930 --> 01:19:10,080
purpose

1776
01:19:15,050 --> 01:19:11,940
because these things were right on top

1777
01:19:19,610 --> 01:19:16,310
um and

1778
01:19:21,470 --> 01:19:19,620
Rick my question for you is how much do

1779
01:19:23,530 --> 01:19:21,480
you feel like your Native American

1780
01:19:26,630 --> 01:19:23,540
Heritage has

1781
01:19:28,850 --> 01:19:26,640
helped uh or affected in any way

1782
01:19:30,649 --> 01:19:28,860
positively or negatively your

1783
01:19:34,250 --> 01:19:30,659
interactions with them do you think

1784
01:19:37,310 --> 01:19:34,260
that's been a force multiplier for you I

1785
01:19:40,790 --> 01:19:37,320
think so uh I think in Kentucky

1786
01:19:43,490 --> 01:19:40,800
especially with that that newbie we

1787
01:19:45,709 --> 01:19:43,500
heard movement on the side and I've

1788
01:19:47,810 --> 01:19:45,719
always wanted I'm not fluent my

1789
01:19:49,610 --> 01:19:47,820
grandmother was fluent you know my aunt

1790
01:19:51,470 --> 01:19:49,620
and uncles were fluent I brought my

1791
01:19:55,790 --> 01:19:51,480
Cherokee probably a slanted English

1792
01:19:57,709 --> 01:19:55,800
accent to it but uh I I actually that

1793
01:20:00,290 --> 01:19:57,719
night when the guy was there and we had

1794
01:20:02,350 --> 01:20:00,300
stirring I looked over at the the

1795
01:20:04,910 --> 01:20:02,360
movement and I said

1796
01:20:07,610 --> 01:20:04,920
I was asking him what is your name in

1797
01:20:10,970 --> 01:20:07,620
Cherokee and nothing and I asked it

1798
01:20:13,430 --> 01:20:10,980
again I went got to stay Deja Dole and

1799
01:20:16,010 --> 01:20:13,440
on that second question from that

1800
01:20:19,910 --> 01:20:16,020
movement on the side I got a bullfrog

1801
01:20:22,250 --> 01:20:19,920
deep voice that went claw which is no in

1802
01:20:25,850 --> 01:20:22,260
Cherokee no I'm not going to tell you my

1803
01:20:29,149 --> 01:20:25,860
name so I did get a response and that's

1804
01:20:31,430 --> 01:20:29,159
that's one of my passions is to speak

1805
01:20:33,590 --> 01:20:31,440
more and try to interact with them in a

1806
01:20:35,689 --> 01:20:33,600
spoken word because Kentucky Cherokee

1807
01:20:38,990 --> 01:20:35,699
these were there for thousands of years

1808
01:20:41,689 --> 01:20:39,000
before the European settlers came in and

1809
01:20:44,090 --> 01:20:41,699
they got pushed out you know Andrew

1810
01:20:45,950 --> 01:20:44,100
Jackson said you know what we're going

1811
01:20:48,649 --> 01:20:45,960
to pass the Indian Removal Act and free

1812
01:20:50,630 --> 01:20:48,659
it's for your own good but by the way 5

1813
01:20:51,350 --> 01:20:50,640
000 of you are going to die along the

1814
01:20:55,490 --> 01:20:51,360
way

1815
01:21:00,530 --> 01:20:57,530
school it was hard not to cry reading it

1816
01:21:03,169 --> 01:21:00,540
is absolutely and when people are not

1817
01:21:04,729 --> 01:21:03,179
sensitive to that particularly on like

1818
01:21:06,229 --> 01:21:04,739
Columbus Day and stuff and they're not

1819
01:21:07,850 --> 01:21:06,239
sensitive to why people called

1820
01:21:09,530 --> 01:21:07,860
indigenous peoples did just because

1821
01:21:10,910 --> 01:21:09,540
you're an idiot and you haven't read

1822
01:21:13,430 --> 01:21:10,920
history and you don't understand what

1823
01:21:15,709 --> 01:21:13,440
happened you can't connect with that it

1824
01:21:17,450 --> 01:21:15,719
wasn't your people Nathan please go

1825
01:21:20,570 --> 01:21:17,460
ahead sir

1826
01:21:22,669 --> 01:21:20,580
well I want to ask about uh

1827
01:21:26,390 --> 01:21:22,679
I'm not sure how exactly to phrase this

1828
01:21:28,669 --> 01:21:26,400
but the there's a lot of um

1829
01:21:30,770 --> 01:21:28,679
the UFO subject has these same sort of

1830
01:21:32,450 --> 01:21:30,780
spectrum of issues right there's a

1831
01:21:35,030 --> 01:21:32,460
there's a craft spectrum and then

1832
01:21:38,030 --> 01:21:35,040
there's the more paranormal aspects and

1833
01:21:40,729 --> 01:21:38,040
uh all of these things if you kind of

1834
01:21:43,250 --> 01:21:40,739
take a big picture view seem to really

1835
01:21:44,750 --> 01:21:43,260
hint at something that is much deeper

1836
01:21:47,990 --> 01:21:44,760
and Ricky talked about you know your

1837
01:21:50,810 --> 01:21:48,000
spiritual uh approach to things and I I

1838
01:21:53,630 --> 01:21:50,820
wondered what is your sense of

1839
01:21:56,450 --> 01:21:53,640
if you had to say there is one where is

1840
01:21:59,030 --> 01:21:56,460
this going you know is uh is this

1841
01:22:01,310 --> 01:21:59,040
leading to an expanded awareness for

1842
01:22:02,810 --> 01:22:01,320
human humans in our civilization

1843
01:22:05,510 --> 01:22:02,820
understanding that we're not alone

1844
01:22:07,790 --> 01:22:05,520
there's a lot more happening in reality

1845
01:22:08,990 --> 01:22:07,800
realities we know it is not you know

1846
01:22:12,770 --> 01:22:09,000
what we thought it was where do you

1847
01:22:15,830 --> 01:22:12,780
think this is headed you know there is a

1848
01:22:19,250 --> 01:22:15,840
purpose you know in an end game which I

1849
01:22:21,530 --> 01:22:19,260
I can't wrap my mind around uh from the

1850
01:22:25,970 --> 01:22:21,540
spiritual aspect I I think they're a

1851
01:22:29,149 --> 01:22:25,980
hybrid human Okay a mixture of if if you

1852
01:22:33,709 --> 01:22:29,159
read the Bible and and you know Genesis

1853
01:22:35,030 --> 01:22:33,719
6 uh talks about that the Nephilim uh I

1854
01:22:36,649 --> 01:22:35,040
think they've been here since the

1855
01:22:40,630 --> 01:22:36,659
beginning of man in the beginning of

1856
01:22:43,910 --> 01:22:40,640
time uh you hear the uh English History

1857
01:22:47,510 --> 01:22:43,920
and and legends talking about ogres and

1858
01:22:51,649 --> 01:22:47,520
trolls uh Gilgamesh in the Sumerian you

1859
01:22:53,630 --> 01:22:51,659
know uh accounts uh Greek Titans uh you

1860
01:22:56,810 --> 01:22:53,640
can go over and over even your eastern

1861
01:22:59,530 --> 01:22:56,820
Indian you know have the same thing I

1862
01:23:03,890 --> 01:22:59,540
think these subjects have been uh

1863
01:23:05,990 --> 01:23:03,900
existing beside man for forever

1864
01:23:08,090 --> 01:23:06,000
and I really don't know what the end

1865
01:23:10,430 --> 01:23:08,100
game is with them now I've I've had some

1866
01:23:12,890 --> 01:23:10,440
people say they're demonic don't have

1867
01:23:15,530 --> 01:23:12,900
anything to do with them uh but I've

1868
01:23:17,630 --> 01:23:15,540
spoken with two different people saved

1869
01:23:20,149 --> 01:23:17,640
from certain death by the benevolent

1870
01:23:23,930 --> 01:23:20,159
acts of these subjects and Native

1871
01:23:25,630 --> 01:23:23,940
American history also has accounts where

1872
01:23:29,870 --> 01:23:25,640
these things came

1873
01:23:32,510 --> 01:23:29,880
unsolicited unasked for and aided people

1874
01:23:35,750 --> 01:23:32,520
in a time of of Dire Straits that's

1875
01:23:39,470 --> 01:23:35,760
benevolent that's not in my opinion an

1876
01:23:40,910 --> 01:23:39,480
inherently Evil subject uh I don't know

1877
01:23:43,370 --> 01:23:40,920
I don't know where it's going to end up

1878
01:23:45,709 --> 01:23:43,380
but I know that these things are there

1879
01:23:48,530 --> 01:23:45,719
whether you believe it or not and

1880
01:23:51,590 --> 01:23:48,540
probably my biggest heartfelt sympathy

1881
01:23:54,770 --> 01:23:51,600
is for somebody that's an Ardent skeptic

1882
01:23:57,229 --> 01:23:54,780
that one day inadvertently one runs into

1883
01:23:59,510 --> 01:23:57,239
one of these subjects in the woods they

1884
01:24:03,470 --> 01:23:59,520
are not the same man I mean they have

1885
01:24:06,709 --> 01:24:03,480
issues between their ears over the PTSD

1886
01:24:09,350 --> 01:24:06,719
it's it's a very emotional and

1887
01:24:11,030 --> 01:24:09,360
devastating experience for them they're

1888
01:24:12,830 --> 01:24:11,040
there

1889
01:24:15,410 --> 01:24:12,840
Debs

1890
01:24:16,910 --> 01:24:15,420
yeah so I know that you alluded to the

1891
01:24:19,850 --> 01:24:16,920
fact that you've run into some other

1892
01:24:21,950 --> 01:24:19,860
things and I'm also fascinated by some

1893
01:24:24,830 --> 01:24:21,960
of those other things like the little

1894
01:24:28,189 --> 01:24:24,840
people also known as fairies goblins

1895
01:24:30,770 --> 01:24:28,199
hobgoblins there's about 500 names and

1896
01:24:34,250 --> 01:24:30,780
all of these are pretty International

1897
01:24:36,850 --> 01:24:34,260
um so I was just wondering if you had

1898
01:24:40,430 --> 01:24:36,860
um run into some of those

1899
01:24:44,270 --> 01:24:40,440
uh uh Toca Oklahoma

1900
01:24:45,590 --> 01:24:44,280
uh about 2011 or 2012 I'd have to look

1901
01:24:50,030 --> 01:24:45,600
at my videos

1902
01:24:52,430 --> 01:24:50,040
uh we had a homestead area land had been

1903
01:24:54,649 --> 01:24:52,440
in the family for several Generations

1904
01:24:58,550 --> 01:24:54,659
Grandma used to watch what they called

1905
01:24:59,689 --> 01:24:58,560
The Boogers pick wild pears or plums I

1906
01:25:02,510 --> 01:24:59,699
can't remember it was a wild fruit

1907
01:25:04,850 --> 01:25:02,520
across the the street from the homestead

1908
01:25:06,229 --> 01:25:04,860
building uh not a big deal they knew

1909
01:25:08,570 --> 01:25:06,239
they were there

1910
01:25:11,630 --> 01:25:08,580
um we were out there near an Artesian

1911
01:25:13,430 --> 01:25:11,640
well that had native hit native and

1912
01:25:15,590 --> 01:25:13,440
settler history had been there for hunt

1913
01:25:18,290 --> 01:25:15,600
well more than 100 years but it's

1914
01:25:22,970 --> 01:25:18,300
discovered uh the big guys came into

1915
01:25:27,229 --> 01:25:22,980
that area and I was there with a a

1916
01:25:29,990 --> 01:25:27,239
uh active uh police officer and a

1917
01:25:32,510 --> 01:25:30,000
college professor whose family owned and

1918
01:25:35,510 --> 01:25:32,520
had been on that land and he had

1919
01:25:39,169 --> 01:25:35,520
actually threw his Flair saw this large

1920
01:25:43,189 --> 01:25:39,179
figure down there tree peaking uh I got

1921
01:25:45,850 --> 01:25:43,199
my gin one uh night vision trying to get

1922
01:25:49,370 --> 01:25:45,860
a good look at it and all I got was this

1923
01:25:51,950 --> 01:25:49,380
luminescence uh it didn't show up in the

1924
01:25:54,229 --> 01:25:51,960
Gen 3. we had a generation three scope

1925
01:25:56,510 --> 01:25:54,239
and I think some of the filtering you

1926
01:25:59,090 --> 01:25:56,520
know knocked that out but with the gin

1927
01:26:01,910 --> 01:25:59,100
one you could see actual luminescence

1928
01:26:04,550 --> 01:26:01,920
from the eyes in the IR spectrum you

1929
01:26:07,070 --> 01:26:04,560
know I got that on video but then I saw

1930
01:26:08,990 --> 01:26:07,080
these other little flashes of light I

1931
01:26:11,270 --> 01:26:09,000
thought they were fireflies you know or

1932
01:26:13,250 --> 01:26:11,280
something another luminescent you know

1933
01:26:17,030 --> 01:26:13,260
living thing

1934
01:26:20,450 --> 01:26:17,040
and uh later going through my videos

1935
01:26:24,050 --> 01:26:20,460
there were three of these bubble-headed

1936
01:26:26,930 --> 01:26:24,060
alien looking things on the video I was

1937
01:26:28,729 --> 01:26:26,940
keying in on the big tall subject behind

1938
01:26:30,830 --> 01:26:28,739
the tree but these other subjects were

1939
01:26:33,470 --> 01:26:30,840
in front of them were they running with

1940
01:26:35,330 --> 01:26:33,480
them I don't know that was in like I

1941
01:26:40,189 --> 01:26:35,340
said 2012

1942
01:26:43,970 --> 01:26:40,199
in 2019 or 2020 I was in the Davy

1943
01:26:47,629 --> 01:26:43,980
Crockett National Forest in uh uh let's

1944
01:26:50,149 --> 01:26:47,639
see Minnesota yes yeah Minnesota

1945
01:26:53,750 --> 01:26:50,159
got the same thing on FLIR two different

1946
01:26:56,149 --> 01:26:53,760
times hundreds of miles apart in and

1947
01:26:59,030 --> 01:26:56,159
amongst Bigfoot activity and they look

1948
01:27:01,729 --> 01:26:59,040
the same you know in the thermal don't

1949
01:27:04,310 --> 01:27:01,739
know I don't know what the connection is

1950
01:27:06,770 --> 01:27:04,320
they run together though

1951
01:27:08,510 --> 01:27:06,780
all right this is uh Matt Matt will get

1952
01:27:11,450 --> 01:27:08,520
our last question

1953
01:27:14,390 --> 01:27:11,460
and then um and then we will we will

1954
01:27:15,890 --> 01:27:14,400
rock on with uh we have to plan a part

1955
01:27:18,169 --> 01:27:15,900
two with you Mr Taylor because

1956
01:27:22,930 --> 01:27:18,179
absolutely there's more stuff that we

1957
01:27:25,189 --> 01:27:22,940
got to get into so let's Mr Knapp

1958
01:27:27,590 --> 01:27:25,199
yeah well I'm going to ask a question

1959
01:27:28,850 --> 01:27:27,600
that I like to ask on my show sometimes

1960
01:27:31,490 --> 01:27:28,860
uh

1961
01:27:33,830 --> 01:27:31,500
what is your end goal with all this what

1962
01:27:35,810 --> 01:27:33,840
what what are you what are you looking

1963
01:27:37,729 --> 01:27:35,820
to accomplish whenever it's all said and

1964
01:27:42,050 --> 01:27:37,739
done with

1965
01:27:45,709 --> 01:27:42,060
I wrote one book it's actually a booklet

1966
01:27:48,050 --> 01:27:45,719
of my early experiences it's on Amazon

1967
01:27:50,510 --> 01:27:48,060
if you Google Richard Taylor Bigfoot

1968
01:27:52,669 --> 01:27:50,520
it'll take you to the links

1969
01:27:56,270 --> 01:27:52,679
if I'm in the show notes just let you

1970
01:27:58,430 --> 01:27:56,280
know we'll have it in there I I quit

1971
01:28:00,410 --> 01:27:58,440
trying to prove it one time I thought

1972
01:28:02,209 --> 01:28:00,420
yeah I get the evidence and prove to the

1973
01:28:04,850 --> 01:28:02,219
world they exist

1974
01:28:07,669 --> 01:28:04,860
I don't think that's meant to be I

1975
01:28:10,610 --> 01:28:07,679
really don't I've seen good people with

1976
01:28:12,410 --> 01:28:10,620
very good evidence get crucified you

1977
01:28:14,629 --> 01:28:12,420
know by the general public and the

1978
01:28:17,629 --> 01:28:14,639
scientific Community I don't think the

1979
01:28:20,450 --> 01:28:17,639
world's ready as a whole to to accept

1980
01:28:22,610 --> 01:28:20,460
this although there are uh substantial

1981
01:28:24,830 --> 01:28:22,620
amount of Americans that say yeah

1982
01:28:27,050 --> 01:28:24,840
absolutely they exist you know I haven't

1983
01:28:31,430 --> 01:28:27,060
seen one but I believe they exist

1984
01:28:33,050 --> 01:28:31,440
I just enjoy sharing on shows like this

1985
01:28:37,010 --> 01:28:33,060
with people

1986
01:28:39,410 --> 01:28:37,020
uh nothing better than for me to go out

1987
01:28:42,590 --> 01:28:39,420
there out in the field away from all of

1988
01:28:45,110 --> 01:28:42,600
the the internet and the Skeptics and

1989
01:28:49,129 --> 01:28:45,120
everything and be out there one-on-one

1990
01:28:51,169 --> 01:28:49,139
with a newbie and and watch the

1991
01:28:53,750 --> 01:28:51,179
expression on her face turning to me

1992
01:28:55,610 --> 01:28:53,760
with wide eyes saying there's something

1993
01:28:59,030 --> 01:28:55,620
out there

1994
01:29:01,370 --> 01:28:59,040
makes my day folks makes my day you know

1995
01:29:03,350 --> 01:29:01,380
Case Closed they they saw it or

1996
01:29:06,110 --> 01:29:03,360
experienced it for themselves nothing

1997
01:29:08,209 --> 01:29:06,120
like it that's it you're not going to

1998
01:29:10,430 --> 01:29:08,219
prove it to the naysayers uh let's start

1999
01:29:13,490 --> 01:29:10,440
with our cabbie goodbyes

2000
01:29:15,649 --> 01:29:13,500
um let's start with uh Matt now well

2001
01:29:17,390 --> 01:29:15,659
let's start with Deb so that Matt knows

2002
01:29:19,790 --> 01:29:17,400
where we're going go ahead

2003
01:29:21,590 --> 01:29:19,800
thank you it was an honor for you to

2004
01:29:23,570 --> 01:29:21,600
share your story with us I hope we get

2005
01:29:25,970 --> 01:29:23,580
to talk more I'm definitely fascinated

2006
01:29:28,669 --> 01:29:25,980
by all these things experiences and your

2007
01:29:31,149 --> 01:29:28,679
knowledge and I hope that I too get to

2008
01:29:33,229 --> 01:29:31,159
see a toddler one day

2009
01:29:35,330 --> 01:29:33,239
you said you didn't want to go in the

2010
01:29:40,030 --> 01:29:35,340
woods Deb you have to go in the woods no

2011
01:29:42,649 --> 01:29:40,040
I have a small backyard the top here

2012
01:29:45,550 --> 01:29:42,659
Rick can you arrange for them to come to

2013
01:29:52,550 --> 01:29:49,189
well adorable I would like sometime

2014
01:29:56,510 --> 01:29:52,560
there's some areas well let me tell you

2015
01:29:57,890 --> 01:29:56,520
this there's a an Oklahoma no I can't

2016
01:30:00,169 --> 01:29:57,900
think of the name right now I'm getting

2017
01:30:03,050 --> 01:30:00,179
a senior moment but there's an area up

2018
01:30:05,810 --> 01:30:03,060
there that's a hotbed and and there are

2019
01:30:07,610 --> 01:30:05,820
people that take Expeditions up there

2020
01:30:10,790 --> 01:30:07,620
they're not real large group of people

2021
01:30:13,450 --> 01:30:10,800
but people there have a great I can get

2022
01:30:17,330 --> 01:30:13,460
you the links to it and everything uh

2023
01:30:20,510 --> 01:30:17,340
kayamichi Mountain yes kiamichi Mountain

2024
01:30:22,970 --> 01:30:20,520
uh Excursion or Expeditions or something

2025
01:30:26,510 --> 01:30:22,980
like that I know the I know the people

2026
01:30:28,189 --> 01:30:26,520
personally and uh I was up there I told

2027
01:30:30,410 --> 01:30:28,199
you about the story of of the guy

2028
01:30:33,350 --> 01:30:30,420
Gathering the The Throne objects and

2029
01:30:34,970 --> 01:30:33,360
everything got up out of his chair and

2030
01:30:36,470 --> 01:30:34,980
was walking to pick this stuff up and

2031
01:30:39,169 --> 01:30:36,480
said can't you guys throw this any

2032
01:30:41,209 --> 01:30:39,179
closer so I don't have to get up I heard

2033
01:30:43,990 --> 01:30:41,219
the thump and look down they put a

2034
01:30:47,030 --> 01:30:44,000
quarter-sized Rock in his chair

2035
01:30:49,729 --> 01:30:47,040
yeah Rick told me that one yesterday

2036
01:30:51,530 --> 01:30:49,739
um yeah and the kiamichi I think that

2037
01:30:52,430 --> 01:30:51,540
the gentleman was on your show right

2038
01:30:55,430 --> 01:30:52,440
Matt

2039
01:30:58,610 --> 01:30:55,440
uh David Wilbanks David will yeah he was

2040
01:31:01,189 --> 01:30:58,620
amazing man it's a wonderful place it

2041
01:31:03,590 --> 01:31:01,199
really is especially around Hornady or

2042
01:31:06,410 --> 01:31:03,600
anoby depending on where you're from

2043
01:31:08,149 --> 01:31:06,420
Adobe Oklahoma Debs we're gonna we're

2044
01:31:10,550 --> 01:31:08,159
gonna get you an experience even if it's

2045
01:31:12,770 --> 01:31:10,560
at uh David Lanier's property in uh

2046
01:31:14,450 --> 01:31:12,780
Alabama but Matt once you go with your

2047
01:31:16,250 --> 01:31:14,460
cabbie goodbye since you're an honorary

2048
01:31:18,890 --> 01:31:16,260
cabbie this evening

2049
01:31:21,950 --> 01:31:18,900
uh Rick thank you for coming on and

2050
01:31:24,649 --> 01:31:21,960
sharing with everyone uh

2051
01:31:26,450 --> 01:31:24,659
I hate to do this to you guys but Rick

2052
01:31:30,050 --> 01:31:26,460
I'd like to have you on my show sometime

2053
01:31:31,550 --> 01:31:30,060
sure that's okay with you sure uh I I we

2054
01:31:34,189 --> 01:31:31,560
definitely got to compare notes like

2055
01:31:37,370 --> 01:31:34,199
you've been uh preaching to the choir

2056
01:31:41,090 --> 01:31:37,380
all night man uh well yeah it's a it's a

2057
01:31:43,430 --> 01:31:41,100
passion of mine folks uh I've been I

2058
01:31:46,729 --> 01:31:43,440
call it blessed I mean I could tell you

2059
01:31:50,149 --> 01:31:46,739
story after story and it they never get

2060
01:31:52,490 --> 01:31:50,159
old because they're they're so I love it

2061
01:31:54,590 --> 01:31:52,500
I love going out on the Expeditions I

2062
01:31:57,229 --> 01:31:54,600
love squatching them something else is

2063
01:31:59,330 --> 01:31:57,239
going to happen and uh you know people

2064
01:32:01,129 --> 01:31:59,340
there they they freak out they they

2065
01:32:03,649 --> 01:32:01,139
don't they don't know how to take it and

2066
01:32:05,870 --> 01:32:03,659
uh that's good it gives them a little

2067
01:32:08,810 --> 01:32:05,880
seed maybe next time they'll they'll be

2068
01:32:12,550 --> 01:32:08,820
more receptive instead of huddling and

2069
01:32:17,090 --> 01:32:14,810
I love it

2070
01:32:19,490 --> 01:32:17,100
um and well you know like I said well

2071
01:32:21,470 --> 01:32:19,500
your book uh Julie's put up your book

2072
01:32:23,510 --> 01:32:21,480
like three or four times now we're gonna

2073
01:32:26,709 --> 01:32:23,520
have it in the show notes for this show

2074
01:32:29,930 --> 01:32:26,719
so Rick's book is called

2075
01:32:33,229 --> 01:32:29,940
my Bigfoot my encounters Forest people

2076
01:32:33,950 --> 01:32:33,239
America's tribe yeah that's right and we

2077
01:32:36,290 --> 01:32:33,960
will

2078
01:32:38,510 --> 01:32:36,300
um we're going to get more into a more

2079
01:32:41,870 --> 01:32:38,520
hypothesis with Rick when we do a part

2080
01:32:47,030 --> 01:32:41,880
two uh Matt Knapp is uh Bigfoot

2081
01:32:49,430 --> 01:32:47,040
Crossroads if you are a cabbie uh a fan

2082
01:32:51,950 --> 01:32:49,440
or friend of ours I recommend that you

2083
01:32:54,410 --> 01:32:51,960
go on uh and check out Bigfoot

2084
01:32:57,110 --> 01:32:54,420
Crossroads with Matt Matthew Knapp it's

2085
01:32:59,450 --> 01:32:57,120
amazing uh he he just has a lot of

2086
01:33:00,890 --> 01:32:59,460
experience like Nathan he's going to

2087
01:33:03,110 --> 01:33:00,900
throw a funny in there when you least

2088
01:33:05,270 --> 01:33:03,120
expect it it's gonna he's gonna he's got

2089
01:33:08,390 --> 01:33:05,280
a great wit and he has a great interview

2090
01:33:12,050 --> 01:33:08,400
style so uh money Nathan your goodbye to

2091
01:33:14,390 --> 01:33:12,060
Mr uh Mr Taylor Rick uh your story has

2092
01:33:16,970 --> 01:33:14,400
uh it's just been fantastic to listen to

2093
01:33:18,590 --> 01:33:16,980
your your passion is contagious and I'm

2094
01:33:20,209 --> 01:33:18,600
so grateful for your willingness to

2095
01:33:22,910 --> 01:33:20,219
share that with us we are looking

2096
01:33:25,070 --> 01:33:22,920
forward to part two there's a slew of

2097
01:33:27,950 --> 01:33:25,080
questions that I know we couldn't get to

2098
01:33:29,450 --> 01:33:27,960
and also from our audience as well so

2099
01:33:32,390 --> 01:33:29,460
we'll try to drop those down and carry

2100
01:33:35,930 --> 01:33:32,400
those with us but thank you for exposing

2101
01:33:38,030 --> 01:33:35,940
us to this other aspect of reality that

2102
01:33:40,189 --> 01:33:38,040
that many of us just haven't experienced

2103
01:33:43,310 --> 01:33:40,199
aren't aware of but I think it certainly

2104
01:33:44,990 --> 01:33:43,320
does light our curiosity and and our

2105
01:33:46,970 --> 01:33:45,000
passion as well so I really appreciate

2106
01:33:51,250 --> 01:33:46,980
that and look forward to our future

2107
01:33:56,930 --> 01:33:54,110
thank you folks man it's it's been good

2108
01:33:58,610 --> 01:33:56,940
it's been good and and guess what they

2109
01:34:01,550 --> 01:33:58,620
are people that's what he's trying to

2110
01:34:05,689 --> 01:34:01,560
tell you they have people Rick thank you

2111
01:34:07,610 --> 01:34:05,699
so much for answering my message uh and

2112
01:34:08,930 --> 01:34:07,620
then calling me I had a great Converse I

2113
01:34:11,270 --> 01:34:08,940
had a great two days I had a great

2114
01:34:13,550 --> 01:34:11,280
conversation with you yes uh last night

2115
01:34:16,430 --> 01:34:13,560
and then the Navajo Ranger Jonathan

2116
01:34:18,290 --> 01:34:16,440
Dover called me uh today also a Bigfoot

2117
01:34:20,689 --> 01:34:18,300
investigator a great conversation so

2118
01:34:23,570 --> 01:34:20,699
I'll tell you what man life is damn good

2119
01:34:26,629 --> 01:34:23,580
yes it is thank you Mr Taylor Namaste

2120
01:34:29,990 --> 01:34:26,639
brother okay all right all right thank

2121
01:34:32,270 --> 01:34:30,000
you Rick Taylor for Matt Knapp our guest

2122
01:34:35,030 --> 01:34:32,280
co-host and guest cabbie for brother

2123
01:34:38,270 --> 01:34:35,040
Nathan for Debs this is DJ saying peace

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out one love we'll see you down the road

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Bob Marley and as always we're wondering

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what's up around the bend